Wolves 0-3 Man City: Verdict Thread

[Aikiwolf]

So when we do ok we get no credit and it’s because the we played we’re letting us, and when we do shit it’s entirely Lage and the teams fault. Got ya.

Can only play what’s in front of you, and yes they maybe took there foot of the gas. So what? You can give credit as well as just faults. It is ok..

Dude, this is a really weird take.

Man city were clearly well inside their comfort zone, if they had needed to they could have upped the intensity without a thought. They scored 3 without really breaking sweat.

Plus we surely can't get credit for playing OKish in the second half and still conceding surely?

 

[Carsy]

The common misconception that relying on 1 or 2 players to score your goals is a good thing. We should be finding ways to play that means goals are spread out between the team, it's much more sustainable and prevents problems like losing your only goal threat.

Give me Silva over Sasa, mind I'd have started the season with Silva first choice. He's well suited to play as the front man in a 4231 but obviously the Portuguese Mr Bean doesn't think so.

Agree with silva suiting a 4231. Do however think he needs a season of consistent first team football and unsure he would’ve got it here, and if he did it would probably depress to hell out of him this stage if his career

 

[Carsy]

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Dude, this is a really weird take.

Man city were clearly well inside their comfort zone, if they had needed to they could have upped the intensity without a thought. They scored 3 without really breaking sweat.

Plus we surely can't get credit for playing OKish in the second half and still conceding surely?

my take is being critical and being able to not just be critical and look for positives in equal measure, even with my dislike of the manager

And yes, I think we do deserve some credit for the first 30 mins of the 2nd half. We could’ve easily just rolled over. We didn’t.

That being said, it’s said that is the positive to take from a game .

 

[Wilf Wolf]

So when we do ok we get no credit and it’s because the we played we’re letting us, and when we do shit it’s entirely Lage and the teams fault. Got ya.

Can only play what’s in front of you, and yes they maybe took there foot of the gas. So what? You can give credit as well as just faults. It is ok..

We looked tidy but it has to be put in context. We know we can knock it about quite well if opponents don’t press and close us down.

 

[slink]

Primarily played on the left and occasionally switched over which is quite natural now for wide players.

Is that a yes or no?

 

[Aikiwolf]

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my take is being critical and being able to not just be critical and look for positives in equal measure, even with my dislike of the manager

And yes, I think we do deserve some credit for the first 30 mins of the 2nd half. We could’ve easily just rolled over. We didn’t.

That being said, it’s said that is the positive to take from a game

Well, I guess being very optimistic it's possible to take that 30 mins in the 2nd half as a positive. My take was that City knew we wouldn't score and took it as an opportunity to recover/relax in a game they were under no pressure.

If I'm looking for positives, I thought both fullbacks were OK, despite the weird instruction to not play the ball into channels. Guedes did OK, and I thought Traore had a decent debut.

Plus no boos for Hwang when he came on.

 

[Jack Regan]

We really should be able to knock it around nicely when we've arguably got over 100 million pounds worth of talent in the front six. The fact we're completely ineffective in an attacking sense whilst doing it is the problem.

 

[Wolftone]

The common misconception that relying on 1 or 2 players to score your goals is a good thing. We should be finding ways to play that means goals are spread out between the team, it's much more sustainable and prevents problems like losing your only goal threat.

Give me Silva over Sasa, mind I'd have started the season with Silva first choice. He's well suited to play as the front man in a 4231 but obviously the Portuguese Mr Bean doesn't think so.

Agree with you on Silva

 

[Mel Evo]

Is that a yes or no?

Out of genuine interest what would be your bigger picture conclusion if the answer were simply, to save time, ‘yes’?

 

[The Bear]

The fact we have no central focal point when attacking is still a big issue. It'll be interesting to see what if any difference Costa makes.

 

[slink]

On the left way more, one of the reasons Jota left, but if he was on the right Nuno expected his wide forwards to go inside more for the wing backs to go outside them. Lage wants him to go outside or at least that's what he does, meaning he either tries to cross with his right foot and invariably smashes it against the full backs shins or has to check back and lose it.

I’m not disputing that he played on the left more, just asking a question. Was he played out of position when Nuno played him on the right? He comes inside quite a lot i think but just ends up running into bodies these days and when he goes down the outside he’s not as explosive as he was on either side.

 

[Carsy]

Well, I guess being very optimistic it's possible to take that 30 mins in the 2nd half as a positive. My take was that City knew we wouldn't score and took it as an opportunity to recover/relax in a game they were under no pressure.

If I'm looking for positives, I thought both fullbacks were OK, despite the weird instruction to not play the ball into channels. Guedes did OK, and I thought Traore had a decent debut.

Plus no boos for Hwang when he came on.

Always try to look at the positive. Agree regarding traore, liked the look of him. Tho if he Jonny was poor but nunes shows a lot of promise .

 

[WsWolf]

Is that a yes or no?

No, his role was different in Nuno's 343 than it is under Bruno Saunders.

 

[WsWolf]

Agree with silva suiting a 4231. Do however think he needs a season of consistent first team football and unsure he would’ve got it here, and if he did it would probably depress to hell out of him this stage if his career

I'd have just started him every game, the more games he plays for us the better.

 

[slink]

Out of genuine interest what would be your bigger picture conclusion if the answer were simply, to save time, ‘yes’?

Well the fact that no one would have said he was out of position under Nuno, lots called for him and Adama to switch too. Look at that Southampton game.

Lots to criticise Bruno for but not sure Neto playing right or left is one. Maybe the amount of game time he’s getting when clearly struggling is a question i’d ask.

As it is i think he’s a player struggling to come back from a serious injury, still lacking that explosiveness that he had and frustrated by that made worse by loose touches etc… Not sure switching him back to the left would work as there’s clearly other things at play but wouldn’t be against it as it’s clearly not working on the right at the moment.

 

[Carsy]

I'd have just started him every game, the more games he plays for us the better.

There is that, but Sasa doesn’t get injured he probably wouldn’t play much. Bet I take your point

 

[slink]

No, his role was different in Nuno's 343 than it is under Bruno Saunders.

Wouldn’t say he’s being played out of position then more that he’s being asked to do things he can’t/isn’t. What do you think those are?

 

[Mel Evo]

Just saw the goals on the news (working weekends is paying dividends this season so far) minutes silence and applause seemed well observed and the anthem seemed stirring, what was it like there ?

Overall ‘not bad’ in my opinion. Some clowns making a noise which in turn prompted someone to bellow “shut the fck up”. Think that was in the away end, but a long way from me. It wasn’t exactly the Oval last Saturday morning I’m afraid. Phones going off and people walking in and out of their seats which I’m sure are minor / non-issues for many but, seriously, can you not both stand still and shut up for 60 seconds. I’d have more understanding if they were making a republican protest as opposed to just being slack.

 

[Tony Towner]

Completely pointless playing Silva under Lage. The goals he's scored for Anderlecht are ones he wouldn't for us, where he runs in behind. We don't play those balls. I'm not convinced he'll ever be a usable option for us, but I'm confident he'd be on zero goals this season if he were here just like he was last.

The Costa dynamic as and when fit will be an interesting one, he'll not put up with making runs and not getting the ball

 

[WsWolf]

Wouldn’t say he’s being played out of position then more that he’s being asked to do things he can’t/isn’t. What do you think those are?

Well one is playing as a traditional winger on the wrong side and the other is to play as an inside forward. Inside forwards generally play inverted, wingers don't.