Wolves 0-2 Brentford: Verdict Thread

[Deutsch Wolf]

He competed well enough physically against their centre halves. No chances to speak of.

Looks far less out of his depth than Fabio, who still looks like an U14s lad thrown into a men's game.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Didn’t really see to much that was encouraging from Fraser tbh. Felt he looked extremely out of his depth. Clearly not ready, but that argument of Fosun leaving us like this has been done to the death

He was clearly trying to do the simple things well and was extremely conservative in his approach which is hardly surprising. Not sure how you judge he was “extremely out of his depth” from his performance yesterday. He may prove to be but I’ve not seen enough evidence to judge.

 

[Carsy]

He was clearly trying to do the simple things well and was extremely conservative in his approach which is hardly surprising. Not sure how you judge he was “extremely out of his depth” from his performance yesterday. He may prove to be but I’ve not seen enough evidence to judge.

The same way you’d judge anyone? He seemed out of his depth to me yesterday. He may well do the rest of the season, or he may not, but that was just an observation from what I sore yesterday.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Same as losing him isn’t it. He was marking him, ended up not marking him

Fully on the keeper if he’s called. If he hasn’t called, then you shouldn’t be leaving it.

The only way he should take matters into his own hands when the keepers called is if he can see the situation and keeper is no where near. A corner into the middle of a 6 yard box you’d expect Sa to be there

Nothing like the same.

Kilman lost McTominay against United, couldn't do anything to intervene with the header by the time it happened because he was yards away. Dawson was literally touching Norgaard at the point he makes the header, would've been easier for Dawson to cut it out than it was to leave it. That's an active decision not to make the header rather than a mistake leaving you in the wrong position to do so.

I'd take the opposite view to you on the final part. A call is all well and good but from my POV Dawson knows Norgaard is right next to him perfectly in line to get to the ball, he's got no idea where Sa is because he's out of his field of vision. Do you take the chance that Sa some how appears between you and Norgaard or just head the ball away and have cross words with Sa afterwards? The former option seems a much bigger gamble in my eyes.

Bad call from Sa if he's made a shout, bad decision from him to even come for it in the way he does, I think the flight of the ball makes it difficult for him to get to the near post in time to take it ahead of Dawson and Norgaard so he'd have been better off staying on his line to attempt a save. Dawson is the one with the best chance to cut out the cross but he ducks that decision, a decision he has to make for himself regardless of a shout from Sa, he stops that goal if he takes matters into his own hands.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

The same way you’d judge anyone? He seemed out of his depth to me yesterday. He may well do the rest of the season, or he may not, but that was just an observation from what I sore yesterday.

On what basis though? It’s not like he did anything particularly badly, he was just being very safe in his decisions.

 

[Alan]

Didn't think Fraser looked at all out of place, really. We'd kind of lost our shape trying to break them down which won't have helped him, but his touch was good, he moved the ball quickly, and he seemed a physical match for their CBs.

He has a lot to learn yet but there's no better level than the highest to do it.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

A quick nod to hands down the worst contestants ever in the stupid HT game that no-one will ever win. If you can't kick a ball 20 yards then maybe sit this one out!

The disallowed goal certainly was important but realistically we should have been out of the game by then, only awful finishing by them (and in fairness a couple of good saves by Sa, at least once fixing the mess that he'd caused with his rubber leg) meant they weren't out of sight at HT.

Strange game from Sa, truly awful (along with Dawson) on their first, and back to the bullshit of passing like a buffoon, but also, as you say a couple of good saves.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Strange game from Sa, truly awful (along with Dawson) on their first, and back to the bullshit of passing like a buffoon, but also, as you say a couple of good saves.

I’m not sure it’s strange, seems about par for the course if you discount a few recent games where he’s looked fairly solid.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I’m not sure it’s strange, seems about par for the course if you discount a few recent games where he’s looked fairly solid.

It's not been a few recent games though, it's been very consistent since Palace/Luton which was when? September?

 

[Wilf Wolf]

It's not been a few recent games though, it's been very consistent since Palace/Luton which was when? September?

I’d consider it a few compared to the many before where he was always prone to a brain fart or two. I don’t disagree he’s been decent lately but yesterday whilst disappointing was hardly a surprise.

 

[Carsy]

Nothing like the same.

Kilman lost McTominay against United, couldn't do anything to intervene with the header by the time it happened because he was yards away. Dawson was literally touching Norgaard at the point he makes the header, would've been easier for Dawson to cut it out than it was to leave it. That's an active decision not to make the header rather than a mistake leaving you in the wrong position to do so.

I'd take the opposite view to you on the final part. A call is all well and good but from my POV Dawson knows Norgaard is right next to him perfectly in line to get to the ball, he's got no idea where Sa is because he's out of his field of vision. Do you take the chance that Sa some how appears between you and Norgaard or just head the ball away and have cross words with Sa afterwards? The former option seems a much bigger gamble in my eyes.

Bad call from Sa if he's made a shout, bad decision from him to even come for it in the way he does, I think the flight of the ball makes it difficult for him to get to the near post in time to take it ahead of Dawson and Norgaard so he'd have been better off staying on his line to attempt a save. Dawson is the one with the best chance to cut out the cross but he ducks that decision, a decision he has to make for himself regardless of a shout from Sa, he stops that goal if he takes matters into his own hands.

So he ran off the back of him because Dawson didn’t challenge/move. Is losing someone.

Anyhow, it amounts the same anyway, a preventable goal

 

[Carsy]

On what basis though? It’s not like he did anything particularly badly, he was just being very safe in his decisions.
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Felt it was fairly comparable to a fabio performance in all honesty. Difference being he’s ’one of our own’ and didn’t cost 35m

Not his fault, tried etc. just poor we’ve been left in this situation, but that discussions been done several times

 

[MARKakaJIM]

So he ran off the back of him because Dawson didn’t challenge/move. Is losing someone.

Anyhow, it amounts the same anyway, a preventable goal

He didn't run off him, they were stood right next to one another but one player chose not to challenge giving the other a free header.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Countless times in football a CB ducks under a ball and the GK claims it or punches it when they can’t see the GK. Or they ignore it and knock it out the keepers hands and someone has a tap in.

It’s 3 yards out, 1 yard off the centre of the goal. He’s right to duck underneath that given a call (Dawsons reaction afterwards suggests there was one). That should he bread and butter for an unchallenged GK with an unimpeded route to the ball. He certainly shouldn’t be trying to claim it at ground level FFS

 

[Carsy]

Countless times in football a CB ducks under a ball and the GK claims it or punches it when they can’t see the GK. Or they ignore it and knock it out the keepers hands and someone has a tap in.

It’s 3 yards out, 1 yard off the centre of the goal. He’s right to duck underneath that given a call (Dawsons reaction afterwards suggests there was one). That should he bread and butter for an unchallenged GK with an unimpeded route to the ball. He certainly shouldn’t be trying to claim it at ground level FFS

Spot on. Collect ball at the highest point you can. I’d be fuming if my keeper hasn’t called. But if there’s no call, you’d imagine Dawson would’ve gone for it

 

[Johnny75]

I didn't hear Sa call for it or any other defender turn around.

Sa was clearly surprised by the header as he was rooted to his line. I think it's just a bad decision by Dawson who was poor all game.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756371694447362477

 

[Tony Towner]

It is though isn't it? He was exceptional yesterday with how Brentford want to play. The sort of keeper we need, much more comfortable with the ball at his feet than Sa is. His punching rather than catching would do my head in though

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Yeah it was smart from him, I just don't think it's something that should be celebrated. Much like how we certainly didn't celebrate Podence cheating, it pissed us off.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yep, Brentford revel in it and also pretend they're not worse for it than anyone else, both bollocks and both a bad look.

He's a cheat. Great save from Neto mind.