Wolves 0-0 Swansea Verdict thread

[MARKakaJIM]

Oi Prick cut thename calling. You can disagree all you want but stop the insults

What insult? You're the one who's called me a prick.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

:icon_lol: Please tell me you see the irony in this post. PLEASE.

Marks a cunt and i usually treat him with respect however i am sick of his insults, without any retribution.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

What insult? You're the one who's called me a prick.

Jock is an insult

 

[MARKakaJIM]

One thing that people should realise is that if in his report the referee said that Fer kicked or kicked out at Costa then that explain why he got a straight red. It does not matter how hard he kicked him, if the referee felt it was a deliberate kick rather than a trip then a red card would be the punishment.

How do you define between the two?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Jock is an insult

Is it?

What about prick or cunt?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

How do you define between the two?

With difficulty. Obviously if a player has a wild swing with his foot then it is clear cut, but the Fer one was borderline. Was it just a petulant action where he knew he would get a yellow card or did he kick out at Costa? Only Fer knows the answer to that clearly the referee thought it was a kick, but maybe he will change his mind having seen it again.

As a matter of interest have Swansea appealled?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

With difficulty. Obviously if a player has a wild swing with his foot then it is clear cut, but the Fer one was borderline. Was it just a petulant action where he knew he would get a yellow card or did he kick out at Costa? Only Fer knows the answer to that clearly the referee thought it was a kick, but maybe he will change his mind having seen it again.

As a matter of interest have Swansea appealled?

I'm not sure if they've appealed.

In my opinion, Fer's action makes it look a lot worse than it is, it looks like a proper kick out but he's made minimal contact with very little force in reality. He could've been much more forceful in a less threatening looking fashion.

 

[Johnny75]

I'm not sure if they've appealed.

In my opinion, Fer's action makes it look a lot worse than it is, it looks like a proper kick out but he's made minimal contact with very little force in reality. He could've been much more forceful in a less threatening looking fashion.

Sadly force isn't important as the Danny Batth decision proved. It should be.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Sadly force isn't important as the Danny Batth decision proved. It should be.

I would've thought force played a major part in Batth's dismissal.

 

[slink]

I would've thought force played a major part in Batth's dismissal.

Yeah it did.

 

[Jinky]

Fer’s was never a red in a million years.

Side note: please cut the insults and name calling out. Thanks xx

 

[Johnny75]

I would've thought force played a major part in Batth's dismissal.

I thought it was because he was off his feet and out of control. Bugger all to do with the force he hit the player with.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Fer’s was never a red in a million years.

Side note: please cut the insults and name calling out. Thanks xx

While I think it was a little harsh, and as I have said before if the referee thought he deliberately kicked out at Costa then a red card was correct. Personally I think there was doubt about the intent, so a yellow card would have sufficed.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I thought it was because he was off his feet and out of control. Bugger all to do with the force he hit the player with.

I think it's a combination of the two, lots of force and little control can lead to a very bad outcome, one without the other is a lot less dangerous.

That's why I don't think Fer is anywhere near as bad, his action makes it look bad but the lack of force means there isn't really much too it.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I think it's a combination of the two, lots of force and little control can lead to a very bad outcome, one without the other is a lot less dangerous.

That's why I don't think Fer is anywhere near as bad, his action makes it look bad but the lack of force means there isn't really much too it.

Fair comment, but when a player kicks out at an opponent force has little to do with it.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Fair comment, but when a player kicks out at an opponent force has little to do with it.

Perhaps it should?

Holgate could've done far more damage to Firmino with a push the other night than Fer could've ever caused to Costa with his actions but the punishments are the opposite way round.

For something like a two footed challenge, where the nature of the action is inherently dangerous, I think it's fair to punish the technique, regardless of force or outcome. Trying to do the same with a kick, which let's face it is the primary technique of the entire game, is much more difficult because you've got so many other variables to decide how dangerous it could be, force, proximity to other players and/or the ball, height, etc.

 

[Johnny75]

I think it's a combination of the two, lots of force and little control can lead to a very bad outcome, one without the other is a lot less dangerous.

That's why I don't think Fer is anywhere near as bad, his action makes it look bad but the lack of force means there isn't really much too it.

I don't disagree with you Mark and I made this point on the Batth red card discussion.

 

[Aikiwolf]

Force clearly isn't taken into account with kicking out, see Beckhams red for his kick out on Simeone for further evidence!

Interesting that despite video replays there isn't a clear decision, just shades of opinions. This is a reason why I'm not keen on video replays.

 

[Boozad]

Force clearly isn't taken into account with kicking out, see Beckhams red for his kick out on Simeone for further evidence!

Exactly, and even thought Simeone made a massive meal out of it everybody still knew that Beckham was walking. Same situation, Fer just kicks out through petulance exactly the same as Beckham did, it was nothing to do with slowing the game down he was just pissed off.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Exactly, and even thought Simeone made a massive meal out of it everybody still knew that Beckham was walking. Same situation, Fer just kicks out through petulance exactly the same as Beckham did, it was nothing to do with slowing the game down he was just pissed off.

Fer wasn't blatantly stopping the breakaway, if it was purely frustration then it would've been more wild.

Wasn't the ball dead when Beckham had his little kick?