Wolves 0-0 Leicester: VAR Rinse & Repeat Verdict

[Kenny]

Still confused who it was offside ? Do we know ?

Neto's arse hair

 

[Deleted Cyber]

VVD rugby tacked off the ball and no things given . I thought VAR was going to stop issues like that?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

To be honest there are a couple of unedifying things in fans it's brought out that I can't stand:

1) The "please sir, he did it first/what about him" stuff. No-one likes a grass.

2) The endless competition to be the most angry, the most irate, swear the most, threaten the most extreme things if nothing changes. Lads, it's football. There are tons of things that annoy me about it. Like they have for the last 30 odd years. It's just another one. You're not going to stop watching, stop grandstanding. People genuinely enjoy the righteous fury of VAR I think which is just weird to me. I go to enjoy the game. Being *that* furious about something for 24+ hours later is just odd (we didn't even lose yesterday), and I'm a man who still writes about a now-disgraced former manager of ours who wasn't even here for six months, ages ago.

If you want the authorities to listen, then effing and jeffing all the time with no actual workable solution isn't going to help. I'm sure singing "Fuck VAR" makes you feel incredible (swear word quotient of 50%, yay) but it's not really getting anyone anywhere.

 

[sycophantia]

Yeah I've just stopped getting angry about it now, just not worth the bother.......however if its not put right next season I reserve the right to rant and swear all next season, it should be straightforward really, sort out the handball rule change and apply the 'clear and obvious' aspect to offsides etc and everything will be fine

 

[Tredman]

To be honest there are a couple of unedifying things in fans it's brought out that I can't stand:

1) The "please sir, he did it first/what about him" stuff. No-one likes a grass.

2) The endless competition to be the most angry, the most irate, swear the most, threaten the most extreme things if nothing changes. Lads, it's football. There are tons of things that annoy me about it. Like they have for the last 30 odd years. It's just another one. You're not going to stop watching, stop grandstanding. People genuinely enjoy the righteous fury of VAR I think which is just weird to me. I go to enjoy the game. Being *that* furious about something for 24+ hours later is just odd (we didn't even lose yesterday), and I'm a man who still writes about a now-disgraced former manager of ours who wasn't even here for six months, ages ago.

If you want the authorities to listen, then effing and jeffing all the time with no actual workable solution isn't going to help. I'm sure singing "Fuck VAR" makes you feel incredible (swear word quotient of 50%, yay) but it's not really getting anyone anywhere.

So what is the solution then? VAR is an actual assault on the game and it’s flow - genuinely the first time in my life that an attempt has been made to reduce attacking and reduce the enjoyment of football.

I get, that from a certain point of view , it might just be another facet of football rage but for a lot it’s genuinely had a direct effect on the ‘believability’ of the game. 3x this season I have directly felt entirely disconnected from the game. Even in the worst of the 90s shitfest I didn’t feel divorced from the game.

 

[WolfmanOz]

Yeah I've just stopped getting angry about it now, just not worth the bother.......however if its not put right next season I reserve the right to rant and swear all next season, it should be straightforward really, sort out the handball rule change and apply the 'clear and obvious' aspect to offsides etc and everything will be fine

I get pissed of when it happens and maybe for 30 minutes after the game then move on.

And otherwise agree with the common sense approach to take next season - the fear a number of us have is that it might not get addressed for next season which would be a tragedy.

Seeing Mike Riley binned at the end of season just can’t come quick enough.

 

[Papper]

Some much needed pragmatism from Macmanaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EouWBxVJXos

 

[Aikiwolf]

So what is the solution then? VAR is an actual assault on the game and it’s flow - genuinely the first time in my life that an attempt has been made to reduce attacking and reduce the enjoyment of football.

I get, that from a certain point of view , it might just be another facet of football rage but for a lot it’s genuinely had a direct effect on the ‘believability’ of the game. 3x this season I have directly felt entirely disconnected from the game. Even in the worst of the 90s shitfest I didn’t feel divorced from the game.

I heard an idea of a 2 minute silence after kick off. That would be a pretty good idea imo especially if it was replicated across all prem games or at least on a sky/bt game

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

So what is the solution then? VAR is an actual assault on the game and it’s flow - genuinely the first time in my life that an attempt has been made to reduce attacking and reduce the enjoyment of football.

I get, that from a certain point of view , it might just be another facet of football rage but for a lot it’s genuinely had a direct effect on the ‘believability’ of the game. 3x this season I have directly felt entirely disconnected from the game. Even in the worst of the 90s shitfest I didn’t feel divorced from the game.

I've given my solution as to how you use the system (which I still think can be a net benefit if you do it properly) - 25-30 seconds or so to make a call, naked eye on replay. Can't see an obvious issue, on we go.

I've felt way worse than this about football. Being led by an obviously awful manager who's also an awful person to the third tier is a hell of a lot worse than having a goal disallowed against the 3rd placed team in the Premier League.

 

[WolfmanOz]

I've felt way worse than this about football. Being led by an obviously awful manager who's also an awful person to the third tier is a hell of a lot worse than having a goal disallowed against the 3rd placed team in the Premier League.

Puts it in total perspective . . .

In Oz I wasn’t really aware what an utter prick Saunders was until he became the Wolves manager and then reading the comments at the time about his history; so thanks to everyone on that, but it does piss me off that this scumbag was actually associated with our club (albeit relatively briefly).

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Remember, he tried to sign Marlon King as well.

I have a billion things to sort out/look after every single day in real life so this morning's reaction to last night (having watched the highlights back) was:

1) I don't really think that's offside, or at least we shouldn't be judging it as such
2) The delay was stupid
3) We've had inordinate amounts of bad fortune with the system, but what can you do
4) We played well
5) We should have won regardless and it's our own fault we didn't
6) I enjoyed the game
7) I had a good afternoon/night, lovely to see people
8 ) I need to get on with the rest of my day

Obviously I can't do anything about the way other people react but I really can't get that worked up about it. I'd be a lot more bothered if we were say, spending 18 months with 0 viable left backs at the club, as we did not so long ago.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I am an Everton fan. I post on Grand Old Team under the same user name.

I just wanted to come on here after watching MOTD to say that you guys were shafted with that VAR-disallowed goal.

Here's why:
Here's a youtube vid of the highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYdwNvt7QzY&t=49s
Action starts at 0:30, BUT, the moot point is at 1:03.
At 1:03 it clearly shows that VAR looked at Jota's position. That is where the VAR line is drawn. THAT is what drove the VAR decision to disallow the goal. At the point when he had received the ball direct from a corner taken by Neto. NOT where NETO was when he received the ball, or when the ball was first played to him by Jota.

Here's the offside rule with relation to a corner kick:
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

a goal kick
a throw-in
a corner kick

So, we have a situation where the person in the VAR room doesn't even know how to apply the offside rule with regard to a corner.

The VAR decision was 100% wrong because the player receiving the ball COULD NOT be offside because he got it direct from the corner kick taker. Yet it was that point in the action that VAR used.

You guys got done on Friday night by an incompetent VAR official, Michael Oliver. An absolute disgrace.

I sincerely hope Wolves can continue the good form they have shown this season and break into the top 4, and make an absolute mockery of the 'Sky 6', which Leicester appear to have already done, with us hopefully on your coat-tails to do more damage to those privileged 6.

I hope you will accept this post in the spirit in which it is intended: another club's fan appalled at the continued poor officiating that damages teams, week in, week out.

 

[Aikiwolf]

I am an Everton fan. I post on Grand Old Team under the same user name.

I just wanted to come on here after watching MOTD to say that you guys were shafted with that VAR-disallowed goal.

Here's why:
Here's a youtube vid of the highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYdwNvt7QzY&t=49s
Action starts at 0:30, BUT, the moot point is at 1:03.
At 1:03 it clearly shows that VAR looked at Jota's position. That is where the VAR line is drawn. THAT is what drove the VAR decision to disallow the goal. At the point when he had received the ball direct from a corner taken by Neto. NOT where NETO was when he received the ball, or when the ball was first played to him by Jota.

Here's the offside rule with relation to a corner kick:
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

a goal kick
a throw-in
a corner kick

So, we have a situation where the person in the VAR room doesn't even know how to apply the offside rule with regard to a corner.

The VAR decision was 100% wrong because the player receiving the ball COULD NOT be offside because he got it direct from the corner kick taker. Yet it was that point in the action that VAR used.

You guys got done on Friday night by an incompetent VAR official, Michael Oliver. An absolute disgrace.

I sincerely hope Wolves can continue the good form they have shown this season and break into the top 4, and make an absolute mockery of the 'Sky 6', which Leicester appear to have already done, with us hopefully on your coat-tails to do more damage to those privileged 6.

I hope you will accept this post in the spirit in which it is intended: another club's fan appalled at the continued poor officiating that damages teams, week in, week out.

Nah, Jota receives the ball from the corner (not offside for all the reasons you state plus the fact he would clearly be on from another pass). It's Neto who is off, following Jota's pass. However, we wouldn't have discussed this last season as its so fractional it can't be picked up by the naked eye at full speed.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Clear and obvious

 

[Papper]

I am an Everton fan. I post on Grand Old Team under the same user name.

I just wanted to come on here after watching MOTD to say that you guys were shafted with that VAR-disallowed goal.

Here's why:
Here's a youtube vid of the highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYdwNvt7QzY&t=49s
Action starts at 0:30, BUT, the moot point is at 1:03.
At 1:03 it clearly shows that VAR looked at Jota's position. That is where the VAR line is drawn. THAT is what drove the VAR decision to disallow the goal. At the point when he had received the ball direct from a corner taken by Neto. NOT where NETO was when he received the ball, or when the ball was first played to him by Jota.

Here's the offside rule with relation to a corner kick:
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

a goal kick
a throw-in
a corner kick

So, we have a situation where the person in the VAR room doesn't even know how to apply the offside rule with regard to a corner.

The VAR decision was 100% wrong because the player receiving the ball COULD NOT be offside because he got it direct from the corner kick taker. Yet it was that point in the action that VAR used.

You guys got done on Friday night by an incompetent VAR official, Michael Oliver. An absolute disgrace.

I sincerely hope Wolves can continue the good form they have shown this season and break into the top 4, and make an absolute mockery of the 'Sky 6', which Leicester appear to have already done, with us hopefully on your coat-tails to do more damage to those privileged 6.

I hope you will accept this post in the spirit in which it is intended: another club's fan appalled at the continued poor officiating that damages teams, week in, week out.

Easy solution. As per Souness a while back. Any part of your body inline with the opposition and you are on. Like keeping your foot on the crease. The furore is the accuracy (within inches) so in effect the technology does not match the spirit of the game (or indeed the naked eye). Your new stadium looks a belter btw.

 

[Tredman]

I've given my solution as to how you use the system (which I still think can be a net benefit if you do it properly) - 25-30 seconds or so to make a call, naked eye on replay. Can't see an obvious issue, on we go.

I've felt way worse than this about football. Being led by an obviously awful manager who's also an awful person to the third tier is a hell of a lot worse than having a goal disallowed against the 3rd placed team in the Premier League.

I get that, a short term visual check is possibly ok.

On Saunders, yes he is an utter cock, but I still felt involved in the games and even with him in the dugout I could cheer and react with the game. That ‘immediacy’ is gone now.

 

[Tony Towner]

Some much needed pragmatism from Macmanaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EouWBxVJXos

He's wrong though in saying that if that goal had been given Leicester would have been up in arms, they wouldn't, they didn't even appeal for it and couldn't be seen with the naked eye.

I appreciate that goal has to be disallowed because they've spent the season doing it, so it's got to happen for the sake of integrity for the rest of the season, but let's not pretend that it's giving decisions which in the past were seen as an injustice, because in many cases like Friday it isn't.

 

[Carrotdude]

At least if they increase the margin of error for offsides next season then ones like this and the other stupidly close ones won’t get disallowed. I generally agree with DW though, make it a quick visual check and anything obvious gets overturned otherwise just go with the decision that’s already been made.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Some much needed pragmatism from Macmanaman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EouWBxVJXos

Hes not wrong, it's the laws that need to change before we can move on, as frustrating as it is and at times ridiculous they are enforcing the laws of the game as it currently stands, hopefully there will be a sensible review for next season.

I think after the first cup game this season Macca has actually been quite good at covering our games, perhaps the changing upset him....

 

[Premier Quality]

If you want the authorities to listen, then effing and jeffing all the time with no actual workable solution isn't going to help. I'm sure singing "Fuck VAR" makes you feel incredible (swear word quotient of 50%, yay) but it's not really getting anyone anywhere.

I agree with the rest of it completely- just wanted to mention that the singing of “it’s not football any more” was picked up in all the match reports in the national papers.