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Trump now suggesting punishing people for flag burning. How is he supposed to swear to uphold the constitution if he's unaware of its most important amendment?
 
Then again, our Prime Minister doesn't know what the Bill of Rights is...
 
I liked this article, particularly the quote below - given this board is largely liberal/socialist, I'm interested in any views?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/01/blame-trump-brexit-identity-liberalism

The apostles of identity liberalism have fallen into Mill’s trap. They see authoritarianism in others, but not in themselves. They see discrimination in others, but not their own. In guarding their chosen tribes, they fail democracy’s ultimate test, of tolerance for the concerns of those with whom they disagree. Someone else is always to blame.

Such tunnel vision has jeopardised the progress made by the cause of European liberalism over the past half-century. It has been given a bloody nose, and there are more on the way.
 
This came from the same article,



Conventional wisdom holds that it is the “centre left” that has lost the plot. The howls that greeted Brexit, Donald Trump and Europe’s new right are those of liberals tossed from the moral high ground they thought they owned. Worse, their evictors were not the familiar bogeys of wealth and privilege, but an oppressed underclass that had the effrontery to refer to a “liberal establishment elite”.
 
Donald Trump has been named Time magazine person of the year for 2016.

Previous recipients include Pope Francis and Adolf Hitler.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Donald Trump has been named Time magazine person of the year for 2016.

Previous recipients include Pope Francis and Adolf Hitler.
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Stalin and ayatollah Khomeini on the previous lists as well
 
Keef said:
Stalin and ayatollah Khomeini on the previous lists as well
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Not often that the Pope would be mentioned in the same list as Hitler and Stalin...

I have just been reading about it, and apparently it is the usual custom for the President Elect to win the award.
 
Hitler and Stalin are mere amateurs compared with the Catholic church....
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Neither
The choice for Americans was change or no change. They chose change.

The choice for bexiters was even easier thanks to Cameron's arrogance, EU leaders indifference and Corbyns absence.
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Change by voting for a billionaire and appointing billionaires to key positions. I'm sure that will work out well for them.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
The choice for bexiters was even easier thanks to Cameron's arrogance, EU leaders indifference and Corbyns absence.
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But you can't (well, shouldn't) make choices entirely because of the perceived negativity of the current situation.

To use a football analogy, if someone had offered me the chance to get rid of Ken this time last year, then as an isolated, yes or no choice where I don't have to worry about anything else beyond that decision, I'd have happily taken it. We were rubbish. I couldn't see him digging us out of it. But in reality, whoever was offering me this hypothetical chance would have to do better than promising that they'd be sticking Micky Adams in charge and he'd definitely lead us to glory, or they'd definitely be able to attract a manager currently operating in the Champions League even though every single piece of evidence says that just isn't possible, otherwise there's no way I could rubberstamp the deal. I'd assume this particular kingmaker was off his nut if he couldn't do any better than that and decide he was best off ignored.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
But you can't (well, shouldn't) make choices entirely because of the perceived negativity of the current situation.

To use a football analogy, if someone had offered me the chance to get rid of Ken this time last year, then as an isolated, yes or no choice where I don't have to worry about anything else beyond that decision, I'd have happily taken it. We were rubbish. I couldn't see him digging us out of it. But in reality, whoever was offering me this hypothetical chance would have to do better than promising that they'd be sticking Micky Adams in charge and he'd definitely lead us to glory, or they'd definitely be able to attract a manager currently operating in the Champions League even though every single piece of evidence says that just isn't possible, otherwise there's no way I could rubberstamp the deal. I'd assume this particular kingmaker was off his nut if he couldn't do any better than that and decide he was best off ignored.
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See February 2012 for the real thing
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold
“I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever. It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children,” Arnold told the Seattle-based radio station KIRO.

The actor and comedian said a contact from the reality TV show passed him the material before last month’s election, but he did not release it because of a confidentiality clause and the expectation that Trump would lose.

Bill Pruitt, a producer on the first two seasons of The Apprentice, tweeted that there were “far worse” behind-the-scenes tapes of Trump on the programme.

Bill Pruitt @billpruitt
As a producer on seasons 1 & 2 of #theapprentice I assure you: when it comes to the #trumptapes there are far worse. #justthebegininng

The Emmy award-winning producer Chris Nee alleged that Trump used the N-word in the recordings.

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer studios, which owns the rights to the show, and its creator, Mark Burnett, resisted pressure to make public the footage, citing “various contractual and legal requirements”.
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I think these are the Republican Party (no idea about politics), but the composition of these pics is uncanny!


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Trump meets CIA. Says Russia had "Absolutely no effect on election outcome"

...

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Yes, they do say they didn't assess the impact - but they give enough of their findings for people who read through that to form their own opinion. Here's just one section -

On 6 August, RT published an English language video called “Julian Assange Special: Do WikiLeaks Have the E-mail That’ll Put Clinton in Prison?” and an exclusive interview with Assange entitled “Clinton and ISIS Funded by the Same Money.” RT’s most popular video on Secretary Clinton, “How 100% of the Clintons’ ‘Charity’ Went to…Themselves,” had more than 9 million views on social media platforms. RT’s most popular English language video about the President-elect, called “Trump Will Not Be Permitted To Win,” featured Assange and had 2.2 million views.

I vaguely remember seeing that Charity thing somewhere. But yeah, absolutely no impact. Couldn't possibly have any impact, right?
 
Economic protectionism is all about putting the concerns of a small group (in this case US car makers) above those of everyone else.
 
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