Trump

[FrankMunro-371]

The party colluded against him. We've known that for a while.

Why did they collude against Sanders? That same party are now saying he would have won against Trump.

 

[Alan]

Why did they collude against Sanders? That same party are now saying he would have won against Trump.

Too many deals made with Clinton before the campaigns even started. A general feeling that Sanders would not benefit established party members. An overconfidence that Hillary would waltz into the White House.

Never in their wildest nightmares did the DNC think Trump could win.

 

[leedswolf]

My main concern about this victory by Trump is that this will legitimise those in the US with right wing beliefs. That this result vindicates any actions that they will take in the future similar to the post-Brexit reaction in the UK. Those who do not fit into their simplistic view will be victimised, but potentially radicalised.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Too many deals made with Clinton before the campaigns even started. A general feeling that Sanders would not benefit established party members. An overconfidence that Hillary would waltz into the White House.

Never in their wildest nightmares did the DNC think Trump could win.

So basically, the Democrats dismissed Trump as having no hope. Well they have certainly paid the price for that complacency.

 

[Alan]

So basically, the Democrats dismissed Trump as having no hope. Well they have certainly paid the price for that complacency.

Yes and yes.

 

[Alan]

My main concern about this victory by Trump is that this will legitimise those in the US with right wing beliefs. That this result vindicates any actions that they will take in the future similar to the post-Brexit reaction in the UK. Those who do not fit into their simplistic view will be victimised, but potentially radicalised.

Honestly, I don't think it would have mattered either way. Trump being elected won't make anyone more or less racist. All it does is confirm how many of them there are. That he had any political clout at all was enough to embolden those people. In fact, their anger had he lost could perhaps have been even worse than having him win.

 

[leedswolf]

I'm not suggesting that it would make anybody more or less racist in their opinion. More to do with their actions.

 

[SLA]

Me three

That's all fair enough. You guys are all fairly right wing in your views so it's expected that you'll take that line.
Others might have a different view though and while the reaction may be strong, it's generally based on reasoned argument.

And no , Trump himself won't outlaw abortion but he will almost certainly appoint SC judges who will likely vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.

There's no particular reason why a middle-aged white man in the UK should find this troubling but I do.

His advisors being from the republican party, right?

I kinda agree in that hes not going to start deporting Muslims, and the wall is unlikely.

But hell probably rip up the Paris deal on climate change.
The US supreme court will become conservative leaning, so abortion will be criminalised
His commitment to NATO is weak, so the Baltic states will be feeling pretty nervous.


Oh, and sexually assaulting women is no barrier to becoming US President. Great.

 

[Penk Wolf]

That's all fair enough. You guys are all fairly right wing in your views so it's expected that you'll take that line.
Others might have a different view though and while the reaction may be strong, it's generally based on reasoned argument.

And no , Trump himself won't outlaw abortion but he will almost certainly appoint SC judges who will likely vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.

There's no particular reason why a middle-aged white man in the UK should find this troubling but I do.

I think I'm very much down the centre, but find it very difficult to discuss anything on here as everything is black and white (Both left and right) and far too much hyperbole.

The amount of post I've deleted, thinking I can't be arsed is far more than I've posted.

 

[SLA]

I guess it's the nature of blokes and the internet. The reaction to big events like this seems similar to when Wolves lose. Lots of emotion and shouty posts for a couple of days with a few people trying to appear wise and grown up by saying "it's only a game".

In a few days most people will have calmed down and moved on to other things and it will all be less heated.

But generally I think it's a good thing that people care enough to argue their point.

 

[LondonBob]

Fantastic news. We have a champion for us in the White House as we leave the EU. Hopefully we can also mend relations with Russia now the neoconservative and neoliberal candidates have been so decisively rejected. Look forward to some peace and stability.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hite-House-claims-make-world-safer-place.html

The ongoing FBI investigation of the Clintons will be fun to watch. Should ensnare a lot of deserving people.

 

[LondonBob]

Well yes, advisors from his party, who millions of people voted for - it's the same as tories ans Labour over here - most of the people from whichever side gets in are well intentioned intelligent people who will do their best for their country. The side you didn't vote for will probably persue some policies you personally don't like, but a lot of other people do. Then four/five years later those policies are judged and either carry on or the other lot get in and the balance goes the other way.

The world doesn't end, good and bad stuff still happens.

Trump won't abandon NATO but will pressure the European states to up their defence budgets so America doesn't feel it's carrying everyone else. He won't outlaw abortions either. He won't build a wall. He won't be perfect and will probably introduce an equally crap alternative to obamacare, and some other stuff some people won't agree with, but every government in history has done that anyway and the world will generally carry on spinning.

Life's too short for throwing a paddy every time something goes differently to how you'd like. Wait and see what happens and then judge - there's buggerall you can do about the American election anyway.

Maybe I'm too old, just seems like a massive overreaction.

He will build a wall, and rightly so. The EU and Israel can offer advice on how to build one.

 

[nimrod]

So basically, the Democrats dismissed Trump as having no hope. Well they have certainly paid the price for that complacency.

i think its more about hc not acknowledging how unpopular she, and what she represents, is across many parts of the states. it's a well established phenomenon, politicians and their egos letting personal ambition and in many instances their dogma blind their perspective. same with blair, same with cameron.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Well yes, advisors from his party, who millions of people voted for - it's the same as tories ans Labour over here - most of the people from whichever side gets in are well intentioned intelligent people who will do their best for their country. The side you didn't vote for will probably persue some policies you personally don't like, but a lot of other people do. Then four/five years later those policies are judged and either carry on or the other lot get in and the balance goes the other way.

The world doesn't end, good and bad stuff still happens.

Trump won't abandon NATO but will pressure the European states to up their defence budgets so America doesn't feel it's carrying everyone else. He won't outlaw abortions either. He won't build a wall. He won't be perfect and will probably introduce an equally crap alternative to obamacare, and some other stuff some people won't agree with, but every government in history has done that anyway and the world will generally carry on spinning.

Life's too short for throwing a paddy every time something goes differently to how you'd like. Wait and see what happens and then judge - there's buggerall you can do about the American election anyway.

Maybe I'm too old, just seems like a massive overreaction.

I have a reaction as I believe strongly in the things I believe in and am happy to stand up for the causes I believe are right and against the things I believe are wrong.

When I see a country like America elect a man who is racist, sexist, and a misogynist I feel the need to speak out about this. America is now in the hands of politicians that could set back gender equality, race equality and sexual equality and I don't feel comfortable sitting back and saying nothing about it. I am a strong believer in a woman's right to have an abortion and it looks very likely that the men and women who are now in control of America are going to remove this right. Whether you agree with my opinions on this or not, I feel I have to voice my opposition to this.

It feels like the world is currently shifting further and further to the right and this is not the world that I want my kids to grow up in so I will keep fighting for the things I believe are right and hope that they grow up to do the same.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I think I'm very much down the centre, but find it very difficult to discuss anything on here as everything is black and white (Both left and right) and far too much hyperbole.

The amount of post I've deleted, thinking I can't be arsed is far more than I've posted.

Okay.

 

[nimrod]

I guess it's the nature of blokes and the internet. The reaction to big events like this seems similar to when Wolves lose. Lots of emotion and shouty posts for a couple of days with a few people trying to appear wise and grown up by saying "it's only a game".

In a few days most people will have calmed down and moved on to other things and it will all be less heated.

But generally I think it's a good thing that people care enough to argue their point.

true, though the degree of reaction is usually related to the degree of division, and in trump's case he did 'choose' to be deliberately divisive though that might just be the way he naturally is. if you act in that way, expect a reaction and don't play the innocent victim. far too much of that goes on here as well.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Honestly, I don't think it would have mattered either way. Trump being elected won't make anyone more or less racist. All it does is confirm how many of them there are. That he had any political clout at all was enough to embolden those people. In fact, their anger had he lost could perhaps have been even worse than having him win.

The same electorate did vote a black man into the white house twice in the last 8 years, yes unfortunately those racist element will feel emboldened and will be ugly scenes, but the majority of people will get on with their lives.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

This is why I have been banging on about destiny for Trump. The path just kept clearing. Paddington said well early in the thread that Clinton would beat trump hands down in a straight race. Now we have the dissection of voter turnout and who voted for who. The latest has been a wave of disapproval from 18 to 25 year olds who would have elected Clinton in a landslide. However what percentage voted? I can't find out. Can anyone help? If their turnout was less than the national turn out then , like brexit they can hardly bleat that their futures fucked if they showed such apathy to voting. I would love to see the figures please. It will be interesting.if their turnout was higher or the highest then they have a real issue. If not well..........

I have just found the overall turnout and its 55%! I don't have the breakdowns though but Americans need to look at that turnout first and foremost. 45% for whatever reason could not be arsed ! I believe brexit was 72%? Hell of a difference

 

[The Saturday Boy]

if you act in that way, expect a reaction and don't play the innocent victim. far too much of that goes on here as well.

Truth.

 

[Langers]

I have a reaction as I believe strongly in the things I believe in and am happy to stand up for the causes I believe are right and against the things I believe are wrong.

When I see a country like America elect a man who is racist, sexist, and a misogynist I feel the need to speak out about this. America is now in the hands of politicians that could set back gender equality, race equality and sexual equality and I don't feel comfortable sitting back and saying nothing about it. I am a strong believer in a woman's right to have an abortion and it looks very likely that the men and women who are now in control of America are going to remove this right. Whether you agree with my opinions on this or not, I feel I have to voice my opposition to this.

It feels like the world is currently shifting further and further to the right and this is not the world that I want my kids to grow up in so I will keep fighting for the things I believe are right and hope that they grow up to do the same.

Yeah I agree. I'm not content to sit back and think 'ah well' when someone like Trump somehow manages to get elected. It's abhorrent. I think I've a duty to my kids to educate them into understanding that treating people in the way Trump does simply isn't acceptable. As it seems millions of people don't really give a fuck what he says or does or how he treats other people. It's sad.