The wolves Way

[BlueSkies]

If we were in the Premier League I would want and expect us to be at least matching the likes of Crystal Palace.

You can expect away but it wont ever happen. As the table put up by tony shows, even after 3 years of top flight football we were only paying more than two newly promoted clubs as joint 17th/18th wage payers, why would that suddenly alter?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You can expect away but it wont ever happen. As the table put up by tony shows, even after 3 years of top flight football we were only paying more than two newly promoted clubs as joint 17th/18th wage payers, why would that suddenly alter?

Ok champ.

You don't want us to go up anyway, you're happy with getting 66 points in the Championship every year so I don't know why it concerns you.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You can expect away but it wont ever happen. As the table put up by tony shows, even after 3 years of top flight football we were only paying more than two newly promoted clubs as joint 17th/18th wage payers, why would that suddenly alter?

It failed last time so why wouldn't they change the approach second time around in pursuit of success?

Wolves will never be profitable in the Championship, any chairman would want Wolves to be in the Premier League, even including Steve 'self-sufficiency' Morgan.

 

[BlueSkies]

Please direct me to any post where I have mentioned anything close to this?
My point (as per posts 16&22) is that your notion that our players will all stay together because they are "local", forgoing the opportunity for higher wages or career development elsewhere while we build a challenge for promotion in some distant season in the future is quite frankly horse$#@!. Moreover you don't believe it either. You are An Angry Wolf and I claim by £10. Now please piss off back to both your chums on Molineux Way

What kind of forum allows people to be insulted like this for having alternative views ? I haven't a clue who angry wolf is or who you are for that matter other than your rubbish typed on here but I'd wager you wouldn't talk so bravely in real life. It seems you can't argue your case without resort to pathetic infantile rants which typifies a general theme from more than one on this thread.

 

[ROVERT47]

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[Deutsch Wolf]

You are An Angry Wolf and I claim by £10. Now please piss off back to both your chums on Molineux Way

Nah, it's not him. He hasn't claimed to "expose" anyone like an internet version of Woodward & Bernstein nor has he made some weird boast as to how intelligent he is (despite his prose being that of a 9 year old).

 

[BlueSkies]

It failed last time so why wouldn't they change the approach second time around in pursuit of success?

.

You could argue using that reasoning then, why didn't he push the boat out last January instead of just purchasing Afobe when we were maybe a couple of players from challenging for automatic promotion never mind playoffs.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You could argue using that reasoning then, why didn't he push the boat out last January instead of just purchasing Afobe when we were maybe a couple of players from challenging for automatic promotion never mind playoffs.

Because buying players isn't like deciding you need washing powder and picking some up off the supermarket shelf?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You could argue using that reasoning then, why didn't he push the boat out last January instead of just purchasing Afobe when we were maybe a couple of players from challenging for automatic promotion never mind playoffs.

It's more of a gamble in the Championship, there isn't enough money coming in through TV deals or sponsorship to give Wolves the spending boost that they'd get in the Premier League, say they'd gone and spent another £5m 'securing promotion' what happens if 1 or 2 of those big money signings go and get a season ending injury shortly after signing? You'd £7m or more in the red with no Premier League windfall to make it all worthwhile, at least if you take that gamble following promotion then you've already got the cash in your pocket, essentially gambling with free money.

 

[BlueSkies]

Because buying players isn't like deciding you need washing powder and picking some up off the supermarket shelf?

I agree, but the implication was why would we not match palaces wages as our wage policy failed in the past. The model of how we are run may not be set in stone but we certainly aren't going to be matching the likes of Palace in paying players wages and neither would I want us to.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I agree, but the implication was why would we not match palaces wages as our wage policy failed in the past. The model of how we are run may not be set in stone but we certainly aren't going to be matching the likes of Palace in paying players wages and neither would I want us to.

So you say, I think it's all supposition though.

 

[BlueSkies]

I think the general point is you cant have your cake and eat it. You either take a riskier approach to football paying the wages that palace, stoke, albion do or become self sufficient as we are but accept we are always likely to struggle in not only acquiring players but sustaining what would be deemed as success on the football pitch. For me there is more to wolves than who we are playing and what division we are in and there is no reason we cant eventually return to the prem but have to acknowledge it will always be an uphill battle with the model of how our club is operated whether you agree with it or not.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I agree, but the implication was why would we not match palaces wages as our wage policy failed in the past. The model of how we are run may not be set in stone but we certainly aren't going to be matching the likes of Palace in paying players wages and neither would I want us to.

You have no clue what Wolves would be able to afford to pay next time they may find themselves in the Premier League, who knows what sort of money may be involved by then. Last time round Wolves were light on wages but heavy on transfer fees, who's to say they won't swap that around, try to source some cheap deals between clubs or free agents and free up extra money to go on wages instead?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But as you have said, you don't even want us to get there.

Let's give a big Molineux welcome to Dan Jones, Oscar Gobern and Mark Hudson.

 

[BlueSkies]

It's more of a gamble in the Championship, there isn't enough money coming in through TV deals or sponsorship to give Wolves the spending boost that they'd get in the Premier League, say they'd gone and spent another £5m 'securing promotion' what happens if 1 or 2 of those big money signings go and get a season ending injury shortly after signing? You'd £7m or more in the red with no Premier League windfall to make it all worthwhile, at least if you take that gamble following promotion then you've already got the cash in your pocket, essentially gambling with free money.

Fair point made regarding the risks involved being higher in the championship but surely with parachute payments still coming in if we were going to chance tact from our current model then it would have been the time to do it. Do you honestly believe if we get promoted by some miracle, we are going to rip up all the blueprints used so far including the way we have been run for nearly a decade and start spending the sorts of fees branded around on this thread? I think it would be backs to the wall in the top flight unable to attract players that would fit within our wage budget which is one of the reasons I prefer the championship instead of getting smashed week in week out

 

[darlowolf64]

I agree, but the implication was why would we not match palaces wages as our wage policy failed in the past. The model of how we are run may not be set in stone but we certainly aren't going to be matching the likes of Palace in paying players wages and neither would I want us to.

Should we of gambled and thrown money at it (when we were in the Premier League) like, say, Portsmouth or Leeds? It worked out brilliantly for them. Or, to a lesser extent, Wigan?

 

[darlowolf64]

Fair point made regarding the risks involved being higher in the championship but surely with parachute payments still coming in if we were going to chance tact from our current model then it would have been the time to do it. Do you honestly believe if we get promoted by some miracle, we are going to rip up all the blueprints used so far including the way we have been run for nearly a decade and start spending the sorts of fees branded around on this thread? I think it would be backs to the wall in the top flight unable to attract players that would fit within our wage budget which is one of the reasons I prefer the championship instead of getting smashed week in week out

When we get promoted I want us to adjust our spending on players and wages in line with the extra income and I believe that is what we would do

 

[Johnny75]

And there we go. The attack on Morgan and the way the club is run I've been waiting for......

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Fair point made regarding the risks involved being higher in the championship but surely with parachute payments still coming in if we were going to chance tact from our current model then it would have been the time to do it. Do you honestly believe if we get promoted by some miracle, we are going to rip up all the blueprints used so far including the way we have been run for nearly a decade and start spending the sorts of fees branded around on this thread? I think it would be backs to the wall in the top flight unable to attract players that would fit within our wage budget which is one of the reasons I prefer the championship instead of getting smashed week in week out

Who knows what will happen, I'm not casting assertions like you merely pointing out potential holes in your way of thinking that it definitely won't happen. We haven't a clue how much money will be coming into Wolves at that point in the future, who even knows how long it could take for them to get back into the Premier League? More clubs are pushing towards a more sustainable model these days, Celtic have gone down a new path in recent years looking to sign from lower profile leagues to get better value then selling for profit, even some of the huge spending at Chelsea has been offset by sales of Luiz, De Bruyne and Schurrle recently, Arsenal have been on an even keel since they moved to the Emirate I think?

Obviously all bigger fish than Wolves but there's no reason that sort of policy can't transfer down the rest of the league in time, the market is always inflating and at a stupid rate too so whilst Palace's £10m/£65k per week deal for Cabaye looks insane on the face of it, is it really that much different to the £7m threw at Doyle/Fletcher 5 or so years ago, or the £30-40k that Johnson and O'Hara were on?

As I said previously, Wolves were low on wages but high on fees last time round, a strategy that didn't really pay off, perhaps looking to reverse that would be a better avenue though it would make recruitment more tricky, looking for free agents, players in the last year or contracts or even people who've sullied their names through various means, strike a bargain but then you've got a bigger wage budget to attract a more talented individual.

Just because Wolves were one of the lowest payers before, that doesn't straight away mean the same has to happen again.

 

[Jinky]

I'm fairly sure the likes of Stoke, Palace - even Albion (amongst others) have only recently started paying much more competitive wages to their players. This has come off the back of a period of stability in the top level. But if you look at their starting 11's 2-3 seasons ago they were turning out some dross (and there are still some bang average Premier League footballers in those respective squads). Would Palace have been in a position to sign someone like Cabaye having just been promoted? Of course not. Did that mean they lacked ambition? No.

It's all about getting there - stabilizing - then as the revenue increases from becoming an "established" premier league club, we'll be able to compete for the better players, on higher wages.

The club is being ran within it's means at the moment, in a highly competitive league. I'm confident no one wants to see Wolves in the same position as Portsmouth in a few years time.