The wolves Way

[BlueSkies]

The recruitment policy under Kenny Jackett is different to Mick McCarthy for a start, Jackett is far more strategic where McCarthy was scatter gun. .

Im a big backer of Jackett but not sure you can say he is far more strategic when our signings have included Leon Clarke, Rowe, Saville and Sagbo.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We didn't sign Sagbo (thank fuck). Rowe has been permanently injured. Saville looked a cracking player until we bought him. Leon Clarke I will happily give you.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Bit of WUM bingo here! Although I think most had a full house a while ago...

 

[BlueSkies]

Just so we're clear, what is your argument now? We should always aim for 8th place in the Championship or we should pump money in when we're in the Premier League?

Im not suggesting pumping money in anywhere but you cant have it both ways. Either we pay the apparent going rate for wages like many clubs do and then expect Jackett to deliver or we follow a more sensible approach but realise our limitations football wise adopting this model. It's common sense really, if you have a million pound budget you expect the estate agent to show you a higher standard of property than a 100 grand budget so anyone expecting promotion rather than hoping for it is utterly unrealistic in my view. Kenny has a good squad with a reasonable budget by championship standards but we have no divine right expecting anything when many clubs in the championship simply blow us out of the water attracting players.

 

[Johnny75]

We didn't sign Sagbo (thank $#@!). Rowe has been permanently injured. Saville looked a cracking player until we bought him. Leon Clarke I will happily give you.

I said at the time I couldn't understand the Saville purchase as he looked far from a cracking player, in fact, he looked very average even in amongst the U21's.

 

[Lord Knows]

I said at the time I couldn't understand the Saville purchase as he looked far from a cracking player, in fact, he looked very average even in amongst the U21's.

Saville is still potentially a very good player, good pedigree, good season at Brentford, even Kevin McDonald spoke about him as the best player he had faced that season.

 

[Johnny75]

Saville is still potentially a very good player, good pedigree, good season at Brentford, even Kevin McDonald spoke about him as the best player he had faced that season.

Potential, maybe. I've just never seen it, just an average plodding midfielder with an average range of passing and certainly not as good as Jack Price, whom he was essentially bought to replace, for whatever reasons they were.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

We had our first summer where for a few days we were leading spending in England that we never heard the end of. To suggest we had a net spend in the top ten English clubs over a 3 year period is absurd and simply untrue, our net spend in our first season was around 13 million and 10 million in the second season which is tiny compared to most other clubs and when you factor in our bottom 3 wages we probably spent less collectively than practically every other club in the division. I'm not saying that's a bad thing as fees are disproportionate to value but lets not pretend we have ever been big spenders even by bottom half of the table teams standards. In the last transfer window before relegation that January I think our main acquisition was a 200 grand player from Iceland.

Obviously Micks signings were all in the top ten of all time as bar one season under Dave Jones which was a decade ago the last time we were in the top flight was in the 1980s where the biggest clubs on the planet were spending less than 2 million on a player

You have evidence to prove we weren't in the top ten highest spenders on fees? Pretty sure that was the case and don't recall too many clubs throwing massive money around at the time, outside the big boys of course.

Again, you're being very selective with your choice of the final window to prove how little Wolves spent, at that time we looked dead certs for the drop, had done for a good while too, so you're back to a Championship style gamble by spending. There is no guarantee your spending is going to provide success in the battle for survival at that point and you're potentially facing a huge loss in earnings, so it's no surprise Morgan didn't throw money at it in that situation.

 

[BlueSkies]

Jury is out on Saville but like many have heard exciting things regarding our under 18s and am quietly confident in a few years these players will be something special which is another reason championship football isn't as bad as people make out. These youngsters stand a better chance of developing and breaking into the first team in the championship instead of competing with premiership over hyped players coming here on a small fortune comparatively .Lets give it time and see how they progress

 

[PuntsWolf]

There is also no guarantee anyone will come to you unless you go for relegation release clause. Which is the quickest and easiest way to throw away money and still get relegated

 

[BlueSkies]

You have evidence to prove we weren't in the top ten highest spenders on fees? Pretty sure that was the case and don't recall too many clubs throwing massive money around at the time, outside the big boys of course.

Again, you're being very selective with your choice of the final window to prove how little Wolves spent, at that time we looked dead certs for the drop, had done for a good while too, so you're back to a Championship style gamble by spending. There is no guarantee your spending is going to provide success in the battle for survival at that point and you're potentially facing a huge loss in earnings, so it's no surprise Morgan didn't throw money at it in that situation.

Im not going to trawl through every clubs accounts to prove to you that most clubs spent less than 10 million per season which was roughly our average net spend between 09 and 12. Im sure common sense could be used to realise that we were low payers in wages and fees.

I don't understand your point regarding we looked dead certs for the drop in January as we weren't even in the bottom 3 when McCarthy was sacked let alone when the window opened in early January.

 

[Lord Knows]

Potential, maybe. I've just never seen it, just an average plodding midfielder with an average range of passing and certainly not as good as Jack Price, whom he was essentially bought to replace, for whatever reasons they were.

You can't be a poor player to come through all the levels at Chelsea then be a target of good talent spotters like Warburton and Jackett without having more ability than has so far been on show in a Wolves shirt.

 

[BlueSkies]

There is also no guarantee anyone will come to you unless you go for relegation release clause. Which is the quickest and easiest way to throw away money and still get relegated

Absolutely which is why instead of throwing money away it's better to accept we don't want to go down that road and build in the championship. As you correctly say , relegation release clauses are a recipe for disaster, we don't want to do what Leeds/ Portsmouth do so the reality is from a footballing perspective following our current strategy ,last season is likely to be as good as it gets. If we get promoted we are only going to be annihilated anyway , we are run in a different way to west brom , Leicester, stoke , swansea and Southampton so lets not set ourselves up for disappointment and look at the positives.

We have a new stand, fantastic museum, cat 1 academy that not many of our rivals have, an under 18/21 set up that are the envy of many and solid foundations under a sensible owner to make sure we don't go bankrupt which is more than many clubs have.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Im not going to trawl through every clubs accounts to prove to you that most clubs spent less than 10 million per season which was roughly our average net spend between 09 and 12. Im sure common sense could be used to realise that we were low payers in wages and fees.

I don't understand your point regarding we looked dead certs for the drop in January as we weren't even in the bottom 3 when McCarthy was sacked let alone when the window opened in early January.

I'll have a bite of your rod as its lunch time and I'm hungry (and bored). We did spend more than 10m per season, much more and that's pretty common knowledge (you know that, your just on a wind up, or your heads in the sand, either way...). And as for the drop, take the first 3 games out and our form was horrific, a missed penalty from Sunderland kept MM in a job. It was obvious we were going down but were being blinkered by our position in the table. Hindsight...

 

[BlueSkies]

I'll have a bite of your rod as its lunch time and I'm hungry (and bored). We did spend more than 10m per season, much more and that's pretty common knowledge (you know that, your just on a wind up, or your heads in the sand, either way...). And as for the drop, take the first 3 games out and our form was horrific, a missed penalty from Sunderland kept MM in a job. It was obvious we were going down but were being blinkered by our position in the table. Hindsight...

Our net spend was around 10 million http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wolverhampton-wanderers/alletransfers/verein/543

 

[PuntsWolf]

We have a new stand, fantastic museum, cat 1 academy

BINGO!!

 

[BlueSkies]

. It was obvious we were going down but were being blinkered by our position in the table. Hindsight...

It was obvious we were going down but weren't bottom 3 when the transfer window opened in January with 2 defeats in the last 6 matches before Jan 1st 2012 so it wasn't worth spending anything as we were doomed? Ok ...Id hate to be with you in the trenches

 

[Johnny75]

You can't be a poor player to come through all the levels at Chelsea then be a target of good talent spotters like Warburton and Jackett without having more ability than has so far been on show in a Wolves shirt.

Only that's rubbish, I've never said he was poor, just average and certainly not better than Jack Price. Warburton used him as a League 1 player and Cotterill barely used him at all. Jackett has sketchy form on transfers at this level and the jury is still out for me. I will see how he does this season before crowing how good his transfer policy is.

And there's plenty of poor players that come through every academy including Chelsea's. You'd be pretty hard pressed to name more than 2 players that have come through Chelsea's academy from a youngster and played for them consistently.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Our net spend was around 10 million http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wolverhampton-wanderers/alletransfers/verein/543

Those figures are far from accurate. For one we did not make a profit on Andrew Surman!!

It was obvious we were going down but weren't bottom 3 when the transfer window opened in January with 2 defeats in the last 6 matches before Jan 1st 2012 so it wasn't worth spending anything as we were doomed? Ok ...Id hate to be with you in the trenches

Like I said, the results papered over the cracks. Sunderland we got lucky, Arsenal was an inspired Hennessey performance and profligacy from Arsenal, Norwich and Bolton we were fucking awful and it was failing to win (or even look like winning) those games that led to us being obvious relegation candidates.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Im not going to trawl through every clubs accounts to prove to you that most clubs spent less than 10 million per season which was roughly our average net spend between 09 and 12. Im sure common sense could be used to realise that we were low payers in wages and fees.

I don't understand your point regarding we looked dead certs for the drop in January as we weren't even in the bottom 3 when McCarthy was sacked let alone when the window opened in early January.

If you don't understand my point on relegation then I'll assume you didn't watch Wolves from about mid-September onwards that season, the season peaked after 3 games and it was a long slippery slope for there on in.

If you're not going to put in the effort to prove me wrong about the transfer fees then we may as well end this here, goodbye.