The Summer 2024 Transfer Thread.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Astonishing how many players we are being linked with given it's mid June and just before the Euros.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

9 in 34 in 2022/23, 10 in 39 in 2023/24.

Very Andy Keogh.

 

[Johnny75]

3 keepers
5 centre backs (plus Semedo can tuck in)
5 wing backs
4 centre mids
2 right sided attackers (Neto, Sarabia)
3 left sided (Cunha, Bellegarde, Chiquinho)
1 striker (at least one to be signed)

You can argue about the quality, and there will be changes in personnel, but I don’t think it’s light on ‘numbers’ or balance at all.

You can't divorce quality from quantity though as we could go and get 20 Sunday League players and say we have numbers.

But if we take it on numbers.

3 Keepers
5 CB - Semedo is not a CB and never will be
4 RWB - included R. Gomes and Hoever in that number
2 LWB
5 CM - included Bellegarde as that is where he was initially played before being shoehorned out wide where he can't play
3 AMR - Chiquinho has never played on the left for us
1 AML
1 STR (Hwang at a push)

And that's before you get to
2 Keepers not being good enough
2 CB's not being good enough, 1 ageing, 1 not being able to play in a 2.
2 RWB nowhere near good enough
1 LWB not rated by the manager
1 CM who can't play deep, but well stocked otherwise
3 AMR who all might leave in the next month
1 world class AML/ deep lying forward in Cunha
1 STR who is a pure poacher and nothing else

It's only RWB and CM where you can say we have enough quality in depth and AMR for now.

That's a squad completely devoid of depth and balance no matter how hard you argue the numbers.

 

[Johnny75]

9 in 34 in 2022/23, 10 in 39 in 2023/24.

Very Andy Keogh.

I've seen him play on the TV 3 times and thought he was about as bang average as you get. Not sure what he was good at, not particularly quick, big or strong and not got great movement.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I've seen him play on the TV 3 times and thought he was about as bang average as you get. Not sure what he was good at, not particularly quick, big or strong and not got great movement.

Don't give me flashbacks, man

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

You can't divorce quality from quantity though as we could go and get 20 Sunday League players and say we have numbers.

But if we take it on numbers.

3 Keepers
5 CB - Semedo is not a CB and never will be
4 RWB - included R. Gomes and Hoever in that number
2 LWB
5 CM - included Bellegarde as that is where he was initially played before being shoehorned out wide where he can't play
3 AMR - Chiquinho has never played on the left for us
1 AML
1 STR (Hwang at a push)

And that's before you get to
2 Keepers not being good enough
2 CB's not being good enough, 1 ageing, 1 not being able to play in a 2.
2 RWB nowhere near good enough
1 LWB not rated by the manager
1 CM who can't play deep, but well stocked otherwise
3 AMR who all might leave in the next month
1 world class AML/ deep lying forward in Cunha
1 STR who is a pure poacher and nothing else

It's only RWB and CM where you can say we have enough quality in depth and AMR for now.

That's a squad completely devoid of depth and balance no matter how hard you argue the numbers.

I think you can separate quality and quantity but of course it’s your right to twist it whichever way you please. I just don’t think the numbers argument is as extreme as you make out.
There’s no doubt we all want more quality and upgrades in certain positions.

 

[Kenny]

Astonishing how many players we are being linked with given it's mid June and just before the Euros.

No different to any year is it?

Most of the links are bullshit anyway

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm still struggling to get my head around Hwang being seen as a genuine option for centre forward. Third if injuries or suspensions hit fine, but his primary position in a team that's built to have someone hold the ball up and bring the wide forwards and a 10 if we start one into play...nah.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

No different to any year is it?

Most of the links are bullshit anyway

Not sure, it feels a lot busier than this time last year? Would need to check, but given we only signed King and Doc before Nunes sale I'd say it must have been?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not sure, it feels a lot busier than this time last year? Would need to check, but given we only signed King and Doc before Nunes sale I'd say it must have been?

We generally don't sign players in June (not counting turning loans into permanent deals).

2016: None as Fosun hadn't taken over properly yet
2017: Bennett, Miranda, Ofosu-Ayeh (at least two of those were arranged before Nuno took over)
2018: Patricio
2019: None
2020: None
2021: Mosquera
2022: None
2023: None

 

[Johnny75]

I think you can separate quality and quantity but of course it’s your right to twist it whichever way you please. I just don’t think the numbers argument is as extreme as you make out.
There’s no doubt we all want more quality and upgrades in certain positions.

I would say twisting things is what you've done with your first post.

How anybody can think the squad is balanced is on some sort of mind altering drug.

 

[Del Woppio]

Saying we've got a full squad when 25% of it is championship standard at best is a tad 'comical Ali' tbf. As Dan said there's the best part of a dozen first team squad players where you'd happily let them rip up their contract.

In the context of having c25 senior footballers in the building, the squad is full.

In the context of that squad having loads you'd give away for nothing, a handful you'd happily sell for £5-10m, then the squad is in pretty poor shape.

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

Mr Angry getting personal again

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

Saying we've got a full squad when 25% of it is championship standard at best is a tad 'comical Ali' tbf. As Dan said there's the best part of a dozen first team squad players where you'd happily let them rip up their contract.

In the context of having c25 senior footballers in the building, the squad is full.

In the context of that squad having loads you'd give away for nothing, a handful you'd happily sell for £5-10m, then the squad is in pretty poor shape.

I stated all along, numbers….
So we need to shift players before we bring in fresh quality. Didn’t think it would be hard to understand!

 

[Kenny]

I stated all along, numbers….
So we need to shift players before we bring in fresh quality. Didn’t think it would be hard to understand!

More bitch slapping needed sir...

 

[Johnny75]

Mr Angry getting personal again

 

[North Shropshire Lad]

I stated all along, numbers….
So we need to shift players before we bring in fresh quality. Didn’t think it would be hard to understand!

We don’t necessarily have to do it in that order though surely.

 

[C.L.D]

I would say twisting things is what you've done with your first post.

How anybody can think the squad is balanced is on some sort of mind altering drug.

Its patronising nonsense.

Including players we had out on loan last season and not likely to have this season too is completely disingenuous. There's no net gain there.

Players like Cundle or Hodge will only be included in September if they have to fudge the HG quota. Then be out on loan anyway.

Whatever we had available post January plus Mosquera is what we should be basing first team squad size on. And it's well short in lots of areas, regardless if technically Fabio or Podence have to come back to the club at some stage during the off-season.

 

[GoldFlagFlyingHigh]

Its patronising nonsense.

Including players we had out on loan last season and not likely to have this season too is completely disingenuous. There's no net gain there.

Players like Cundle or Hodge will only be included in September if they have to fudge the HG quota. Then be out on loan anyway.

Whatever we had available post January plus Mosquera is what we should be basing first team squad size on. And it's well short in lots of areas, regardless if technically Fabio or Podence have to come back to the club at some stage during the off-season.

Another who can’t read!
I’ve only included Mosquera and Chiquinho (who is confirmed as being looked at in pre-season) back in the numbers.
I’ve not included anybody else and we are at 23 first team players whilst needing another striker to add to that group. So 24 players is a full squad regardless of what you think of the quality. We then have to sell quite a few and replace them to upgrade that quality.

 

[Jinky]

Its patronising nonsense.

Including players we had out on loan last season and not likely to have this season too is completely disingenuous. There's no net gain there.

Players like Cundle or Hodge will only be included in September if they have to fudge the HG quota. Then be out on loan anyway.

Whatever we had available post January plus Mosquera is what we should be basing first team squad size on. And it's well short in lots of areas, regardless if technically Fabio or Podence have to come back to the club at some stage during the off-season.

Easier to tell someone they can’t read, count etc etc I suppose