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The Summer 2024 Transfer Thread.

Buyer uses debt leverage to buy club. Guarantees the debt to the creditor. Makes loans to the club to makes sure cash reserves are suitably topped up. As consideration for his generous loan, the club takes the responsibility for the debt used to buy it. Next, he converts the loan he made to more equity. The debt can neatly pass from buyer to the club in that transaction. Note the cash reserves are still big at this point, so now he issues a huge dividend back to himself which gets the money loaned back and diminishes the cash reserves back to basically bugger all.

Net result, the debt passes to the club, and the buyer now owns the asset and has no debt to the creditor, and is at worst cash neutral. As long as the club is worth more than the debt used to buy it at some future point, he sells and creams off his profit, and that assumes he can't find some muppet willing to buy the club and take the debt on, in which case he would be even more in clover.

That isn't the way it's working with Wolves, but that is a way a bunch of shysters can quickly fuck a club up the rear.
 
I think going from Sá to Ramsdale is at the very worst standing still. I've been worrying about this position for a while because while Sá isn't my cup of tea and he clearly isn't suited for how O'Neil wants his keeper to play, he's still actually a fairly good Premier League goalkeeper.

Ramsdale is a decent keeper as well, still young for a keeper but quite experienced at PL level. It'd be a good long term signing if we could get our hands on him and we do need more home grown players in the squad. I'd worry a little that he's not brilliant with his feet and I hope we're not comprising in this sense. Not perfect but it definitely could be a lot worse.
 
Lycan said:
I think going from Sá to Ramsdale is at the very worst standing still. I've been worrying about this position for a while because while Sá isn't my cup of tea and he clearly isn't suited for how O'Neil wants his keeper to play, he's still actually a fairly good Premier League goalkeeper.

Ramsdale is a decent keeper as well, still young for a keeper but quite experienced at PL level. It'd be a good long term signing if we could get our hands on him and we do need more home grown players in the squad. I'd worry a little that he's not brilliant with his feet and I hope we're not comprising in this sense. Not perfect but it definitely could be a lot worse.
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Think this is fair, what concerns me is the cost to at best slightly improve on Sa, 10-15m?
 
See I consider Ramsdale a marginal downgrade, but with more upside. As a cost cutting measure or wanting to recoup a fee on Sa I would sort of get it, but not if it meant matching his current money given the constraints apparently being shown elsewhere.
 
Even if we have put in a serious bid for Dara O' Shea - would he want to come here , if he has another offer from Brentford ?

He'll struggle to get a first team slot in either team as things stand , but he would probably see himself with a better chance at Brentford perhaps , and Collins's presence there might persuade him in that direction .
Another factor is that Collins has kept his place in the Brentford first 11 despite his struggles , whereas he was dropped at Wolves and never got another look in .

Wages at either club will probably be similar enough . I see no great reason why he would come here if Brentford have also put a deal on the table .
He'll be sitting on the bench either way , so it will only take a small thing to swing it either way .
 
NicholasG1973 said:
I hear you on the Albion antics but I was around when we signed a cheap centre forward off them once upon a time……that didn’t turn out too bad.
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Bully didn’t do a knee slide and then follow it up with a ‘boing boing’ in front of our fans either.

There’s also that viral clip of Ramsdale saying he can’t concentrate for 90 minutes.

The lad has talent, but he comes across as a complete knobber.
 
Would open up another non-homegrown space in the squad, though. Which presumably we need for a winger or CB.
 
I’d have Ramsdale over Sa tbf and I think we are targeting him (and Johnstone) for their home grown status too.

As has been mentioned though, couple of mistakes and the West Brom thing will become an issue for some (stupidly, but it will)
 
Jinky said:
Bully didn’t do a knee slide and then follow it up with a ‘boing boing’ in front of our fans either.

There’s also that viral clip of Ramsdale saying he can’t concentrate for 90 minutes.

The lad has talent, but he comes across as a complete knobber.
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Fair enough - but he’s not the first keeper to wind up visiting fans, and he’s not the first footballer to be a “complete knobber”, either.

I personally couldn’t give a fuck what football team he supports.

Each to their own but a definite upgrade for me. Sa is solely responsible for too many goals for my liking.
 
NicholasG1973 said:
Fair enough - but he’s not the first keeper to wind up visiting fans, and he’s not the first footballer to be a “complete knobber”, either.

I personally couldn’t give a fuck what football team he supports.

Each to their own but a definite upgrade for me. Sa is solely responsible for too many goals for my liking.
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I don’t disagree that he’d be an upgrade. I just don’t particularly like him very much & as YW says, you can bet your bottom dollar as soon as he makes a mistake the moronic element of our fanbase will jump on the Albion thing.

I don’t think it’ll happen anyway. Fully expecting the standard Hobbs/Shi “we tried to make things work but just couldn’t get there financially” line to be trotted out at the end of the window.
 
1986 said:
Even if we have put in a serious bid for Dara O' Shea - would he want to come here , if he has another offer from Brentford ?

He'll struggle to get a first team slot in either team as things stand , but he would probably see himself with a better chance at Brentford perhaps , and Collins's presence there might persuade him in that direction .
Another factor is that Collins has kept his place in the Brentford first 11 despite his struggles , whereas he was dropped at Wolves and never got another look in .

Wages at either club will probably be similar enough . I see no great reason why he would come here if Brentford have also put a deal on the table .
He'll be sitting on the bench either way , so it will only take a small thing to swing it either way .
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O'Shea is fucking terrible
Ramsdale is a fucking arsehole

What is Hobbs doing?
 
So LL saying if Ramsdale arrives might Sa that goes, might be Bentley. I would have presumed Sa there

Also, if O'Shea or A.N.Other arrives - Santi will go out on loan
 
It will definitely be Saturday there is no way Ramsdale or Sa are going to be happy on our bench.
 
Only way I can see Bentley going is as part of the Ramsdale deal and then Sa will also be sold. So would either be No goals conceded at International level King or a young kid promoted to 2nd choice.

We know if Ramsdale arrives there is at least 1 game he won't be able to play in, so that back up is getting at least 1 PL game
 
He's no better than the Irish defender we sold to Brentford just over 12 months ago.

Signing defenders from relegated teams always goes well for us too.
 
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