The Official FIFA World Cup 2022 Megathread

[jd1981]

How many World Cup knockout games have ROI won in that time? Any?

Not got a leg to stand on, that journo.

It’s just rivalry to be fair English journalist are equally as bad at the same thing to be fair.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Creating a timeline from 1967-2022 is very unusual period of time 55 years to work on

That’s been a universally accepted timeline I thought. “30 years of hurt” etc.

 

[jd1981]

Well 1974 and 1978 didn’t qualify. 1982 went out without losing a game. So that’s 20 years pretty much covered. Awful load of bollocks take and I speak with my Welsh hat on ridiculing the Irish journos

Yep 82 had to play France, Spain, West Germany too. Me and DW were saying Belgium were no ringers in 1990 either.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Yeah 1966 is a really weird place to draw your line in the sand for English World Cup performances.

 

[jd1981]

That’s been a universally accepted timeline I thought. “30 years of hurt” etc.

56 and counting now point I’m making you can make teams look amazing or shite from shifting time about.
The one I love the most is Wolves have more league titles than Villa, Albion and Blues combined in the last 100 years. It’s absolutely right but it’s absolutely not where everything started.

 

[PuntsWolf]

56 and counting now point I’m making you can make teams look amazing or shite from shifting time about.
The one I love the most is Wolves have more league titles than Villa, Albion and Blues combined in the last 100 years. It’s absolutely right but it’s absolutely not where everything started.

You can but nothing had been invented in what they are saying. Biased but not invented.

You could use the “Southgate still hasn’t won any game they weren’t favourites for” after last night. Wouldn’t be fair but isn’t invented.

 

[Mel Evo]

Seems a pretty logical point in time to me. Only a few days ago DW was pointing out Spain’s record since 2010 and I thought ‘yep, fair enough’, and it’s a less relevant dataset than 56 years. Any Ozzie’s needing reinvigorating for the ‘whining poms’ branding effort need only read this thread.

 

[jd1981]

Seems a pretty logical point in time to me. Only a few days ago DW was pointing out Spain’s record since 2010 and I thought ‘yep, fair enough’, and it’s a less relevant dataset than 56 years. Any Ozzie’s needing reinvigorating for the ‘whining poms’ branding effort need only read this thread.

If it’s done in a context of how has English football developed since winning the World Cup then fair enough.
This is clearly done in an effort to make England football history look worse than it is.
I’m not suggesting we’ve had a glorious past because it’s been a trail of failures for long periods.

 

[Tom Hark]

If it’s done in a context of how has English football developed since winning the World Cup then fair enough.
This is clearly done in an effort to make England football history look worse than it is.
I’m not suggesting we’ve had a glorious past because it’s been a trail of failures for long periods.

I think the narrative persists because for 56 years England fans have been subjected to a continuous biennial cycle of disappointment. Whether that's failure to qualify because we're shit or just missing out on a coin flip, the result and the emotion is the same, time after time. Had we had a few successes along the way, I think perhaps the media would be more forgiving but, as it is, there's always a hurdle that we fall at, and it's usually against one of the teams we aspire to be the equals or betters of. If we were in that elite club, then by the law of averages we ought to have lifted at least one trophy. But we've never been quite good enough, and we weren't good enough last night either, imo. It's always 'next time' that we're going to redeem ourselves, and after 56 years it gets a bit wearing.

 

[jd1981]

I think the narrative persists because for 56 years England fans have been subjected to a continuous biennial cycle of disappointment. Whether that's failure to qualify because we're shit or just missing out on a coin flip, the result and the emotion is the same, time after time. Had we had a few successes along the way, I think perhaps the media would be more forgiving but, as it is, there's always a hurdle that we fall at, and it's usually against one of the teams we aspire to be the equals or betters of. If we were in that elite club, then by the law of averages we ought to have lifted at least one trophy. But we've never been quite good enough, and we weren't good enough last night either, imo. It's always 'next time' that we're going to redeem ourselves, and after 56 years it gets a bit wearing.

That’s my point if it’s done in a way of English hasn’t moved forward enough in 50 years then it’s absolutely right and clear evidence that it hasn’t a no the fact we’ve never beaten a elite side in a knockout game outside of England is an embarrassment. To put that in context Uruguay 54, Brazil 62, West Germany 70, Argentina 86, West Germany 90, Argentina 98, Brazil 2002, Portugal 2004, Portugal 2006, Germany 2010, Italy 2012, Italy, 2021, France 2022. 13 attempts 6 were penalty shootout losses 4 were by the odd goal. It’s an awful record.
Home soil completely different played 8 won 6 beaten Argentina, Portugal, Germany twice, Spain and Denmark. Never lost in open play both were penalty shootouts.
Englands record when having home advantage reads played 16 won11 drew 6(1 penalty shootout win & 2 losses)

 

[Alan]

I don't want to be too much of a dick, but England's level of success is astronomical compared to the majority of footballing nations.

I don't personally feel that y'all have much, if anything, to really be ashamed of when it comes to that. Certainly I wouldn't call it embarrassing.

 

[leedswolf]

 

[jd1981]

I don't want to be too much of a dick, but England's level of success is astronomical compared to the majority of footballing nations.

I don't personally feel that y'all have much, if anything, to really be ashamed of when it comes to that. Certainly I wouldn't call it embarrassing.

Never beating an elite side in 13 attempts outside of England isn’t a good look and why we’re not considered in that elite group along with France, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Germany & Argentina.
We’re more part of the plucky contenders who may have 1 title or a titles from very long ago or have had some final appearances. You’d group us with Portugal, Netherlands, Croatia, Uruguay, Denmark etc
Our record in 27 major Tournaments reads

Winners 1
Runners up 1
SF 4
QF 10
2nd Rd 4
Group stage 7

 

[Alan]

England are not plucky in any way

I wouldn’t have the tiers that way, either.

 

[Tony Towner]

England are not plucky in any way

I wouldn’t have the tiers that way, either.

If you compare us against European teams we in theory are on a par with or in reality now above in terms of league and resources we have underperformed at both World Cup and Euros. Since we last won something in 66 Italy, (West) Germany, Spain and France have all won multiple competitions. Smaller nations like Denmark, Portugal, Czechoslovakia and Greece have also won Championships in that time That's not arrogance, we haven't deserved to win anything, it is however reality.

 

[jd1981]

Since 66 the 4 European nations of similar size (Germany, Spain, France, Italy) have won:
Germany WC 3 EC 3
Italy WC 2 EC 2
Spain WC 1 EC 2
France WC 2 EC 2

In that same period English club sides have won 15 European cups/CL an average of 7-8 players in each side were English prior to it becoming the CL Man Utd 1999 had a strong core of English players 2 Neville’s,Scholes, Beckham, Cole, Sheringham.
Only 2 that low English representation was the Liverpool wins in 05 and 19 with only 2 in each.

 

[jdrodrigues]

Well, here we are. To backtrack a little, I saw the first half of the Portugal v. Morocco game while in a restaurant in Aachen, during Christmas shopping and it was fully deserved. Couldn't really compete with them, and then the keeper does something abnormal like that. Welp. Didn't see the second half, but didn't expect it to be much better. Santos has to be out after that, surely.

 

[AndyWolves]

Manager Southgate 'conflicted' about England role

England manager Gareth Southgate says he is "conflicted" about his future, having "found large parts of the last 18 months difficult".

www.bbc.co.uk

Southgate might end up resigning after all

 

[Johnny75]

Manager Southgate 'conflicted' about England role

England manager Gareth Southgate says he is "conflicted" about his future, having "found large parts of the last 18 months difficult".

www.bbc.co.uk

Southgate might end up resigning after all

I wouldn't be unhappy with that if the next guy gets more out of these players.

 

[Tony Towner]

I'd be more worried about who the next guy is. Think he needs to be British given the way the role has evolved with SGP and coaching development. I can't see who that candidate is, Potter a few months ago, but can't see him walking from Chelsea unless both he and them see it as a way out.