The Official FIFA World Cup 2022 Megathread

[Paddingtonwolf]

It was maybe 55-45 in England's favour. So a game of fine margins that came down to fine margins. I'd say it was similar to when we lost 2-1 at home to Liverpool in January 2020.

You wouldn't say Liverpool absolutely robbed the victory and you wouldn't say Wolves came up obviously short.

Probably still in my top five Wolves games of all time even though we lost. Had it been a champions league semi final it would have been worthy.

 

[jd1981]

A gift of one, yes.

A gift so France wanted to give away a penalty?
Again what forced the error? Crosses into the box a designed to either find your own player if not cause the defence a problem in this instance it worked.
As someone said do we downgrade the Rabiot effort because we defended so badly?
The first one the defender makes a poor choice.

 

[Alan]

Whether a PK is a "gift" or not is irrelevant, IMO. They all count the same.

Even if you say "England didn't earn the PK, it was given to them", that still shifts the balance of the respective performances in favor of England. It's a massive mistake by France and the reward for that mistake is an extremely high xG opportunity.

Kane misses and the shift in the balance of performances is more or less undone, so it's all a bit moot.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Whether a PK is a "gift" or not is irrelevant, IMO. They all count the same.

Even if you say "England didn't earn the PK, it was given to them", that still shifts the balance of the respective performances in favor of England. It's a massive mistake by France and the reward for that mistake is an extremely high xG opportunity.

Kane misses and the shift in the balance of performances is more or less undone, so it's all a bit moot.

I don't think an individual error gifting such an opportunity carries the same weight as a team creating one outright, personally.

In a similar way if a forward misses a sitter it doesn't detract from the ability of the team to create the chance to begin with. As you say in this case, Kane misses and it becomes irrelevant, would say the two individual errors cancel one another out and leave you with an empty statistical anomaly on the xG.

 

[WsWolf]

Was it a penalty?

I said it was at the time and nothing has changed my mind.

 

[jd1981]

I don't think an individual error gifting such an opportunity carries the same weight as a team creating one outright, personally.

In a similar way if a forward misses a sitter it doesn't detract from the ability of the team to create the chance to begin with. As you say in this case, Kane misses and it becomes irrelevant, would say the two individual errors cancel one another out and leave you with an empty statistical anomaly on the xG.

But where do you draw the line a good proportion of goals have defensive errors in them?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

But where do you draw the line a good proportion of goals have defensive errors in them?

You have to judge each on it's merits. Not all errors are equal.

 

[Alan]

I would say that Hernandez's error (the tackle) is equally as bad as Kane's (missing the target altogether). Simply, because if Hernandez had not committed the foul, it almost certainly would have resulted in a goal kick. Kane misses the pen off-target, which resulted in, yep, a goal kick.

Effectively, Kane missing that penalty erases Hernandez committing the foul.

 

[jd1981]

You have to judge each on it's merits. Not all errors are equal.

But in reality you can look at most goals you concede with an if, but and maybe.
Can see a lot of desperate managers using it as excuse.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

But in reality you can look at most goals you concede with an if, but and maybe.
Can see a lot of desperate managers using it as excuse.

Unless you believe in fate or some higher being then everything in life comes with an if, but or maybe. There's choice in virtually everything we do.

The end result isn't always relative to the actions that lead to it though.

 

[AndyWolves]

I don't think an individual error gifting such an opportunity carries the same weight as a team creating one outright, personally.

In a similar way if a forward misses a sitter it doesn't detract from the ability of the team to create the chance to begin with. As you say in this case, Kane misses and it becomes irrelevant, would say the two individual errors cancel one another out and leave you with an empty statistical anomaly on the xG.

I think I'm with you on that first paragraph

 

[ROVERT47]

Found myself not being that bothered to be honest, as a lifelong Wolves fan if it a toss up between England reaching a semifinal or Wolves finishing 17th its a no brainier.
I can guarantee the come Boxing Day evening there’ll be very little talk about Englands woes amongst Football fans.

 

[YoungWolf]

Probably still in my top five Wolves games of all time even though we lost. Had it been a champions league semi final it would have been worthy.

Yeah, that was peak Nuno Wolves imo.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I’m not fussed. I was more anxious during the Morocco/Spain shootout than I was at any point in the England game.

I don’t know why, just don’t seem to be that interested. Has happened to an extent with Wolves as well. I’m blaming Bruno Lage

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

That was a truly magnificent Liverpool side and we were pretty much the only team to give them a game

 

[jd1981]

Do like it how certain journalists twist things and invent timelines after an England exit.
Irish journalists has done one since 1966 in World cups England have only beaten the following sides in knockout football, Paraguay, Belgium, Cameroon, Denmark, Ecuador, Colombia, Sweden and Senegal.
Yep it’s not a great record but nice of him to blot out parts of the timeline that would include Argentina, Portugal & West Germany also not including the euros because they’d have to include Spain and Germany.
Yep we’ve been poor but stop manipulating history to suite your own agenda.

 

[Alan]

How many World Cup knockout games have ROI won in that time? Any?

Not got a leg to stand on, that journo.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Do like it how certain journalists twist things and invent timelines after an England exit.
Irish journalists has done one since 1966 in World cups England have only beaten the following sides in knockout football, Paraguay, Belgium, Cameroon, Denmark, Ecuador, Colombia, Sweden and Senegal.
Yep it’s not a great record but nice of him to blot out parts of the timeline that would include Argentina, Portugal & West Germany also not including the euros because they’d have to include Spain and Germany.
Yep we’ve been poor but stop manipulating history to suite your own agenda.

They haven’t invented anything though?

 

[jd1981]

They haven’t invented anything though?

Creating a timeline from 1967-2022 is very unusual period of time 55 years to work on

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Well 1974 and 1978 didn’t qualify. 1982 went out without losing a game. So that’s 20 years pretty much covered. Awful load of bollocks take and I speak with my Welsh hat on ridiculing the Irish journos