The Official FIFA World Cup 2022 Megathread

[jd1981]

Because, you know, that's how judging two sides often works. I'm also finding it odd that you're focussing on this when I also said that the two penalties were correctly given.

Neither England penalty prevented a good quality open play chance.

So, I ask again, were Portugal the better side against Morocco because all the statistics other than the most important suggest they were.

When have I quoted statistics?

 

[Wilf Wolf]

The one positive that came out of last night is Southgate sent the team out to play not contain. Add in that we have a lot of very good youngsters who will benefit from the experience and we should be very competitive over the next four years at least. Reece James, Stones, Rice, Foden, Saka, Mount and Bellingham is one hell of a base to build on.

 

[The Bear]

Can't really say it's outside the box, even if the initial contact was. VAR was just crap along with the ref.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

England flags went from predominantly the Union flag to the flag of St George at some point in the 90s

1982 onwards. I hitchhiked to Bilbao with my brother and with a handmade (from a double sheet) WWFC in the corners Cross of St. George. If you look at the French and Czech games there were loads of Union Jacks as per tradition. Remember that we didn't qualify in 74 or 78, and 70 was Mexico so hardly anybody went. Anyway in Bilbao loads of fans asked us what our flag was, and to their surprise.... we said it's England and the Union Jack is the UK. The rest is history so I continue to claim that as Wolves fans we started the change to the proper one. ;-) . Same flag appeared at the Mol, a few away grounds and in England (Euros), Sweden (Euros), France (WC), Germany (Euros) and Belgium/NL (Euros).

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

1982 onwards. I hitchhiked to Bilbao with my brother and with a handmade (from a double sheet) WWFC in the corners Cross of St. George. If you look at the French and Czech games there were loads of Union Jacks as per tradition. Remember that we didn't qualify in 74 or 78, and 70 was Mexico so hardly anybody went. Anyway in Bilbao loads of fans asked us what our flag was, and to their surprise.... we said it's England and the Union Jack is the UK. The rest is history so I continue to claim that as Wolves fans we started the change to the proper one. ;-) . Same flag appeared at the Mol, a few away grounds and in England (Euros), Sweden (Euros), France (WC), Germany (Euros) and Belgium/NL (Euros).

But if you look at footage from Italia 90, there are still tons of Union Flags:

 

[BillyDee]

Wasn't 96 the watershed? A home tournament, so everyone made an effort to be accurate?

 

[sycophantia]

Weirdly that was his second pen of the game too after scoring the first.

Very easy to say now but Lloris was always likely to go the same way, it was prime to just bang it down the middle like Lineker did vs Cameroon in 1990. But hey, these things happen.

With the Euros only 18 months away I think we're in a decent enough shape and wouldn't be looking to change the manager.

Having never taken a penalty in a real pressure situation myself, I always shout at the TV, "bang it down the fucking middle" when it's 'my team.'

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Wasn't 96 the watershed? A home tournament, so everyone made an effort to be accurate?

I'd say so yes, plus Scotland being in our group.

We won't want to come together as one nation even if it made footballing sense (it doesn't) because of IFAB leadership if nothing else.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

My point is that England fans would still go to games, it would still be their team, and it wouldn't make much difference. If anything, they'd probably still call the team "England" and still sing all their usual songs. That's what the other home nations fear.

To a lot of English people, the UK is England and England is the UK.

Perhaps our History National Curriculum could teach the truth about the name of our 'country', how the 'home nations' joined together, how the world's biggest empire developed and that Queen Victoria's generation was German and spoke German in the palace. Perhaps also, kids in Wolverhampton could learn who the 'man on the oss' was, and why so many of our streets etc are named for the Royals.
Pathetic when our kids spend more time on the Dinosaurs, Egyptians, Romans and Greeks than on their heritage and identity.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Is decision making not part of football especially defending? In that moment Hernandez makes a poor choice and deservedly conceded a penalty. Doubt he did because he fancied playing another 30 minutes.

It's not a testament to England that the 2nd penalty was awarded though is it? They didn't force that mistake through good play like the first, it was an absolute gift.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

But if you look at footage from Italia 90, there are still tons of Union Flags:

 

[sycophantia]

Perhaps our History National Curriculum could teach the truth about the name of our 'country', how the 'home nations' joined together, how the world's biggest empire developed and that Queen Victoria's generation was German and spoke German in the palace. Perhaps also, kids in Wolverhampton could learn who the 'man on the oss' was, and why so many of our streets etc are named for the Royals.
Pathetic when our kids spend more time on the Dinosaurs, Egyptians, Romans and Greeks than on their heritage and identity.

Tbf, the 'Romans' is part of their heritage and identity. All of those can be taught (and are) along with our own.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

Yep. Well spotted, Slow process but there's about 6 Cross of St. George there. 1996 was the culmination of the idea.

 

[jd1981]

Wasn't 96 the watershed? A home tournament, so everyone made an effort to be accurate?

Think so

It's not a testament to England that the 2nd penalty was awarded though is it? They didn't force that mistake through good play like the first, it was an absolute gift.

But it’s poor stuff from France though that’s the point.

 

[Wellen Wolf]

Tbf, the 'Romans' is part of their heritage and identity. All of those can be taught (and are) along with our own.

Yep. Not arguing. But, how many units and lessons? Basically, nowt from the C20 except for glimpses eg Voting, WW2, but bugger all on the UN, EU, Cold War and the Fall of Communism except for specialisation after the age of 14.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Think so

But it’s poor stuff from France though that’s the point.

That wasn't your initial point, you said people shouldn't dismiss penalties from xG as though they're charity but that one very much was.

 

[jd1981]

That wasn't your initial point, you said people shouldn't dismiss penalties from xG as though they're charity but that one very much was.

When you give to charity it’s done on a voluntary basis are you suggesting Hernandez wanted to concede a penalty?
I’ll ask for it to be a penalty where does the incident need to occur?
England put a ball into the box which meant France had to deal with it one of whom didn’t do it very well.
To add I’ve not mentioned XG

 

[WsWolf]

Having never taken a penalty in a real pressure situation myself, I always shout at the TV, "bang it down the fucking middle" when it's 'my team.'

Hate people putting it down the middle. If the keeper doesn't dive it's got no chance of going in, at least make the keeper save it.

Wouldn't compare the situations but I've taken a few in cup finals etc and always go high to the keepers left, doesn't need much power if it's anywhere in that top right quadrant it's not being saved.

 

[jd1981]

Got to love the laughing emoji I used it yesterday and felt dirty afterwards

 

[MARKakaJIM]

When you give to charity it’s done on a voluntary basis are you suggesting Hernandez wanted to concede a penalty?
I’ll ask for it to be a penalty where does the incident need to occur?
England put a ball into the box which meant France had to deal with it one of whom didn’t do it very well.
To add I’ve not mentioned XG

Lloris dealt with it perfectly fine.

Hernandez's actions were absolutely brainless, there was absolutely no need for him to do what he did. England didn't earn that penalty, France gifted it to them.

Compare it to the first one, where England should get a shot away and maybe score without that challenge being made, if Hernandez doesn't make that challenge for the 2nd penalty then it would have had zero impact on the game.