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The Official Euro 2016 Megathread

I'm annoyed with way Hodgson has left, resigns 15 minutes after full time before giving a post match interview explaining what went wrong.
Hope at some point he fronts up and explains what happened.
 
jd1981 said:
I'm annoyed with way Hodgson has left, resigns 15 minutes after full time before giving a post match interview explaining what went wrong.
Hope at some point he fronts up and explains what happened.
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I'm sure he will but I don't think he had a spare 4 hours last night.
 
True but just a few minutes would have done. Reality is he's only half the problem all fairness to Hart he was shite but at least he faced the media last night.
 
I assume Roy was absolutely fuming as he went straight down the tunnel, leaving it to Rooney to console the players.

Whereas I just went straight to the bar.
 
it's difficult to understand how to get the best out of players without having more knowledge about how they actually go about things.

without completely destroying the guy, in the case of sturridge for instance, he is obviously talented and i don't think he is completely selfish from the way in which he has played, yet at least twice (and glaringly) he has failed even to attempt to deliver the ball when in behind a defense. fair enough if we're 2-0 or better off but when you're obviously struggling to break a team down those positions are absolutely priceless. put any outfield player from the Germany squad in that position and you know they'll be trying Gareth Bale style to whip that ball across the 6 yard box immediately. and if you're a forward, that's the ball you expect and move into position for. how the hell is he is playing international football without having had this drilled into him? he was playing like he was in the park and it didn't matter.

and if you're the forward expecting the cross but see that sturridge has it, what goes through your mind? make the run or wait to see what 'surprise' he's going to pull?
 
nimrod said:
and if you're the forward expecting the cross but see that sturridge has it, what goes through your mind?
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Decide which profanity to use after the word 'selfish' when he inevitably gives it away?
 
nimrod said:
it's difficult to understand how to get the best out of players without having more knowledge about how they actually go about things.

without completely destroying the guy, in the case of sturridge for instance, he is obviously talented and i don't think he is completely selfish from the way in which he has played, yet at least twice (and glaringly) he has failed even to attempt to deliver the ball when in behind a defense. fair enough if we're 2-0 or better off but when you're obviously struggling to break a team down those positions are absolutely priceless. put any outfield player from the Germany squad in that position and you know they'll be trying Gareth Bale style to whip that ball across the 6 yard box immediately. and if you're a forward, that's the ball you expect and move into position for. how the hell is he is playing international football without having had this drilled into him? he was playing like he was in the park and it didn't matter.

and if you're the forward expecting the cross but see that sturridge has it, what goes through your mind? make the run or wait to see what 'surprise' he's going to pull?
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According to Hoddle or Tyldesley (I can't remember which one said it) it was due to the ball being on his right foot rather than his favoured left.

Was Sturridge selected as a right sided forward/winger who can't cross with his right foot or is he a clueless selfish buffoon?
 
Sniffer Grouse said:
According to Hoddle or Tyldesley (I can't remember which one said it) it was due to the ball being on his right foot rather than his favoured left.

Was Sturridge selected as a right sided forward/winger who can't cross with his right foot or is he a clueless selfish buffoon?
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i don't think those choices are mutually exclusive.

frick. shouldn't matter either should it. if he understood the game dynamic he'd know from that position he has to try to cross even if he fucks up.
 
This even made American sports media. They couldn't believe how much of a shock this was. They had no analogy or comparison from their entire sporting history,

That must be bad,
 
By all accounts Roy won't be doing any interview which I think is really poor and quite cowardly.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
For fuck's sake. Where to even start with that? Let's to try break it down to a series of failures, managerial and individual.


MANAGERIAL


- We entered the tournament having moved away from everything we'd done in qualifying, in the end the ploy seemed to be to chuck as many attacking players on the pitch as possible and hope for the best. You can have as many forwards as you like but if you have no defined shape or pattern of play then they're not going to do anything.


- This led to key players playing out of position - Alli way too deep, Sturridge out as a wide right forward, Rooney in a role where he's yet to establish himself at club let alone international level - not a situation you should be in during tournament football.


- The movement. Or lack of. My days, the sheer lack of movement. So many times we had possession in the middle of the park and whoever was on the ball was staring up at five white shirts stood stock still 40 yards away. I really thought those days were over. This has to be some kind of a managerial flaw on Hodgson's part because those players do not show the mobility of a skip in club football.


- After a shocker of a first half where everything had become far, far too frantic after we went behind, half time was the opportunity to make any changes, calm the players down, get us keeping the ball again (as we had in the first three games) and to out-football a very willing but limited team. Instead we were even more fragmented. That second half was hideous, right up there in the ranks of terrible England performances (and I've seen a few in 28 years).


- Hodgson is a very decent man but ultimately this is a results business. He leaves with three wins in three tournaments. We were in the lead for a total of 14 minutes in this entire tournament. We've failed to beat Russia, Slovakia and Iceland here. None of that is defensible.


INDIVIDUAL


- Joe Hart's carved out a well earned reputation as one of the better keepers in Europe but in this tournament he has produced two absolute shockers. Mistakes happen of course, but you can ill afford them in games of this magnitude.


- You send out a back four and you look to your most experienced man to marshal that defence, lead them through the game, organise them properly and make sure everything's done as far as possible with the minimum of fuss and with maximum authority. Gary Cahill fails on pretty much all these fronts. Cannot organise, we look as jittery as hell with him the main man back there, cumbersome on the turn, poor on the ball, unconvincing in the air...when you compare him to the likes of Adams, Campbell, Ferdinand and Terry that we've had in the last 20 years, he's absolutely nowhere near that level. You could put this down as a managerial failure really too being as he's looked like this for Chelsea for 18 months.


- So many players today having basic technique go inexplicably awry. Anyone can have a bad game but falling over the ball, not being able to make five yards passes, first touches bouncing wildly away...really? Rooney, Kane and Alli all particularly guilty of this tonight.


- Two extremes of the spectrum and equally damaging to the team. Raheem Sterling's shrink into rank cowardice where he more or less entirely refuses to take his man on, continually settles for the five yard pass inside or trying to win a cheap corner rather than playing as a proper winger, and Daniel Sturridge's ludicrous over-confidence in relation to his actual ability, pointless over-elaboration as if this is a game of FIFA Street, inability to see the wider picture in a game...both are of very little use in their current respective mindsets.


- This is a managerial failure too (because why has he been entrusted with them) but over the last month Harry Kane has taken some of the worst set pieces I have seen, not just for England, in all football. Perpetually miles overhit, shots on goal that are absolutely nowhere near the target, where on earth has he got the reputation as a deadly set piece taker from? I've seen him score one free kick for Spurs, nearly two years ago, and it took a wild deflection. He is not capable of taking them and him being on that duty wiped out an entire line of attack for us.


THE FUTURE


In the grand scheme of things, that is possibly the worst defeat I've ever seen us have. The only one that comes close is the 2-0 away in Norway in 1993. Hodgson's position was entirely untenable, in respect of this loss and his overall tournament record, he had to go, no questions about that. But where do we go from here? We have a core of good young players (who have been taken down several pegs here...so rebuilding confidence will be a big issue in an England shirt) but there are others in that squad who I don't think should be playing international football again. That includes the captain who is clearly in decline and is unlikely to be of much value to us in 2018. But the key, of course, is the new manager. Southgate has been installed as the early favourite which to me would be a disaster. I have seen his U21 teams play and they do not play good football at all, it's a confused mess, his work with Middlesbrough was poor and beyond being employed by the FA for years I'm not sure what would qualify him. If the likes of Allardyce and Bruce weren't good enough in 2006 then they certainly aren't good enough in 2016. Will we go foreign again? Laurent Blanc is available but he did a moderate job with France and a moderate job with PSG, there isn't much there to suggest he's going to be an unqualified success. I'd love Slaven Bilic but why would he give up the gig he's got now? There are others in Europe I would consider but I'm not going to waste time debating them now before I know if the FA are even looking in that direction.


A very low moment in supporting England and there are multiple questions surrounding identity, serial underperformance at tournaments, the strange dichotomy between club and international performances and where we're actually heading. Loads of questions, not many answers.
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Really you needed a running milner in that team..and cahill is overrated as you say. Balance and movement is key of course, that is what lagerbäck does best, always have..
 
freddeno said:
Really you needed a running milner in that team..and cahill is overrated as you say. Balance and movement is key of course, that is what lagerbäck does best, always have..
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Lagerbeck is a poor manager Fred. It is testament to how bad England were last night that we lost to a side managed by him. We've had the most decorated Swedish manager and he too was poor.
 
Lagerbäck has one great strength and always had..organising a defence..not much more but effective in tournaments
 
freddeno said:
Lagerbäck has one great strength and always had..organising a defence..not much more but effective in tournaments
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His name is his main strength, surely? It's awesome.
 
As in, "I'm going to send this Lagerback, and get a proper beer...."
 
Johnny75 said:
Lagerbeck is a poor manager Fred. It is testament to how bad England were last night that we lost to a side managed by him. We've had the most decorated Swedish manager and he too was poor.
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For reference Sven won six tournament games with England. We've won four in the decade since he left. He wasn't perfect but he was better than most who preceded or followed him.
 
All this Hoddle stuff is getting a bit worrying. I genuinely couldn't bring myself to watch England if that twat was manager.
 
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