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The Official Euro 2016 Megathread

The brutal truth is, in a few weeks time when the English League Clubs kick off the talk will be of Conte, Guardiola, Murihno, Koeman and 'should Arsene move upstairs' when Arsenal fuck up in their first game amongst the fans of League Clubs.
We are where we are with interest in the National side amongst Club fans, once the new season starts the only mention the National side will get is when everyone is pissed off when there's an International break and we all have to miss a weekend of football.
 
Wow - that has to be the worst performance and most embarrassing result I have ever seen from an England side. I don't know where to start with it TBH. One thing though, stuff like 'this has been coming' is just an empty soundbite. Because it hasn't 'been coming'. Fine, we've been toothless upfront which is where we were supposed to be strongest, but aside from a Joe Hart fuckup which again you'd not expect him to repeat, there was nothing I could have foreseen to prepare me for that disgrace.

For me, it all stemmed from that equaliser. A total failure to do the most basic of requirements - it completely ripped any kind of confidence in the side, we panicked like crazy when Iceland were 40 yards away from our goal, and whenever the ball went out of play for a thrown (a fucking THROW IN for fucks sake) we looked about as comfortable as Glasgowolf at a SNP conference. With the confidence also went any kind of gameplan - not a single player seemed to have any idea what they were supposed to do.

Individuals? Bloody hell, with the exception of a bright cameo from Rashford, every single one of them had an absolute nightmare. The centre halves were dreadful - Cahill has zero organisational/leadership skills, Walker negated by the showboating lummox playing in front of him (more on Sturridge later). Dier - our best player in the group stages - forgot how to pass the thing 5 yards, Rooney had a shocker and failed to act as the leader he should be, Sterling was better than he was v Wales, so his overall contribution can be upgraded to mere 'crap', but the two crowning turds in the waterpipe were Kane and Sturridge. Kane did his best to emulate Kevin Francis, with free kicks that reminded me of that Peter Kay advert for John Smiths. Fucking abominable - why was he on the free kicks?! His body language was atrocious as well. As for Sturridge - the last player I went that mental at was probably Steve Corica. He could almost be congratulated for choosing the wrong option EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. He simply does not have a footballing brain. Actually, remove the word 'footballing' from that last sentence. The booking he picked up showed how utterly moronic he is.

I'm thoroughly pissed off - the players threw Hodgson under a bus with that lack of effort, application, passion etc etc etc. It was bereft of pretty much everything you need to win a game of football, especially against a team who are just that - a team.

It's absolutely essential that whoever takes over is able to get that lot playing together, and not for themselves. That's not going to be easy. I hope they take their time with this appointment because we DO have a good nucleus, we've got more promising youngsters coming through and I don't want a substandard manager with zero coaching ability brought in. I don't care if the next coach is foreign either TBH, there is SOMETHING there to build on but right now, those players have badly let their country down.

I disagree, this has been coming for a long time. We've been utterly, utterly dreadful at tournament football since 1998 where we were average at best. We consistently collapse, capitulate and give up. Quite frankly we're a shambles as soon as the going gets just a tiny bit tough. No guile, no balls, no guts and certainly no glory. Every single time we get to a major tournament we shit ourselves and go home as a laughing stock.

At least if Southgate and Hoddle take over I'll have a good excuse to not even bother watching.
 
I disagree, this has been coming for a long time. We've been utterly, utterly dreadful at tournament football since 1998 where we were average at best. We consistently collapse, capitulate and give up. Quite frankly we're a shambles as soon as the going gets just a tiny bit tough. No guile, no balls, no guts and certainly no glory. Every single time we get to a major tournament we shit ourselves and go home as a laughing stock.

At least if Southgate and Hoddle take over I'll have a good excuse to not even bother watching.

Yeah we have capitulated in tournaments, but that doesn't have much of a bearing on last night. Or at least, it shouldn't have. I actually dared to think we had improved this year with some decent performances in the group stages. We flapped a lot in the latter stages last week but other than that, there was nothing to suggest we would put in such a disgusting display like last night.
 
Agree with a lot of what Langers has just said - and really there is nothing any of us can say to sum up last nights 'performance'. There are genuinely no words.

We got exactly what we needed, and that was an early goal. The idea being then, that Iceland will "come out at us", giving us more of a chance to attack the gaps in their defence - hopefully then going on to win handsomely. But the problem is, when you concede immediately, from a long fucking throw - we just couldn't pick up any momentum to take advantage. To concede again (and in the manner we did) was absolutely abject. After that we went in to a shell. Zero leaders on the pitch, each and every one of them froze and were scared to death to do anything. You can't even say the fans in the ground got on to their backs. I heard some boos at half time, but when the game kicked off in the second half the fans were belting out the national anthem and it was the players that let everyone down badly.

We've spent the whole season of 40+ games watching Kane score goals, Alli setting them up, Hart making wonder saves etc etc etc - but as soon as they pull an England shirt on, something happens and they're suddenly incapable of playing football. Balls were rolling under feet, control left them - any actual thought process in how to play the game just left them all and when you look to the sidelines for some inspiration, all you got was a broken man who had, sadly, ran out of ideas. It was a truly pathetic display from everyone involved. A sad state of affairs and for the second time in a week, the whole of Europe is laughing at us.

Hart - pump yourself up. Kiss the badge. Sing the national anthem with a "I can take on the world" look on your face. But when you follow it up with the kind of performance that followed, it means absolutely nothing. FIRMLY in the Forster or Butland camp now. New keeper required, one who doesn't throw the ball in his own net when it matters. If you genuinely think about how many saves he had to make in the tournament - there was a header v Russia that went straight down his throat. The goal. v Wales, just the free kick - which went in. v Slovakia, he made a save down low to Weiss. and then last night, Iceland had 2 shots and both went in. So all in all, 6 shots in the whole tournament and we conceded 4 goals. That's fucking outstanding, Joe.

Walker + Rose were our bright sparks (and Lallana who didn't even get on the pitch - assume he was injured) from the earlier games, but last night they were no better than a 4/10 (if that). So you then look to other players for a bit of inspiration and leadership - but nothing. Each and every one of them chipped in with a 3/4 out of 10 performance and that's being generous.

Rooney - Retire. Not a top forward any more. Not a leader. Not a top midfielder. Actually made me shout "get him off!!!" at my tv for the first time in my life last night. EVERY touch, pass, shot - pathetic.

Alli was anonymous. Barkley didn't get a kick - surely he couldn't have done any worse than Wilshere? The less said about that substitution the better.

Cahill/Smalling are not International defenders but we have no better.

Sterling actually did ok last night. He and Rashford are the only players that can come out of the game with the smallest piece of credit. And I just hope that the experience of being humiliated by Iceland doesn't ruin them for years to come.

At the end of the day, enough has been said. It is another abject failure from our national side. I have no idea who will be next in line (and ultimately, next to fail) as Manager. Quite frankly, I'll be astonished if anyone wants it.
 
Also, that was Iceland's easiest game of the tournament. And their fans were ace.
 
Iceland had 2 shots and both went in. So all in all, 6 shots in the whole tournament and we conceded 4 goals. That's fucking outstanding, Joe.

Had 3 (overhead kick which was straight at him)....your point still stands though
 
Before appointing a new manager its important to once and for all to identify what makes England fail generation after generation. Unless we do that your just repeating past errors of judgement.
Whoever is a candidate has to produce a well thought out theory of what could make England better then produce that theory in practice on a matchday during a trial period.
Also you can't keep appointing a manager based on profile rather than level of ability.
Myself, I think the football culture has been wrong right from grass roots levels where the learning process has been neglected, with massive underinvestment in facilities and quality coaching.
 
Had 3 (overhead kick which was straight at him)....your point still stands though

There was a save towards the end too when we were relying on Jack Wilshere as our last man in defence FFS. Your point still stands though Jinky.

With regards to the overhead kick save that was straight at him Hoddle stated that it made up for his earlier mistake. My television led a charmed life last night. If it wasn't the Mrs booking it straight after the football for Game of Thrones I don't think it would have survived.
 
Yeah we have capitulated in tournaments, but that doesn't have much of a bearing on last night. Or at least, it shouldn't have. I actually dared to think we had improved this year with some decent performances in the group stages. We flapped a lot in the latter stages last week but other than that, there was nothing to suggest we would put in such a disgusting display like last night.

England players all had the same 1000 yard stare on their faces last night, they knew what was happening, they panicked and they fell apart mentally. I think that the reason they did was because of fear of failure and following the footsteps of Gareth Southgate and company.
 
There was a save towards the end too when we were relying on Jack Wilshere as our last man in defence FFS. Your point still stands though Jinky.

With regards to the overhead kick save that was straight at him Hoddle stated that it made up for his earlier mistake. My television led a charmed life last night. If it wasn't the Mrs booking it straight after the football for Game of Thrones I don't think it would have survived.

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Ok, so we'll agree Hart's ratio was 9/10 shots in the tournament - 4 goals conceded. Rancid.
 
Most England's fans accept that we're not amongst the big hitters world wide and pretty much explains why reaching s QF/SF is seen as s good effort.
Last night hit a new low usually when we exit it's in glorious failure or just being beaten by technically better sides, call me arrogant but no way man for man are Icelandvs better side.
Reality is they did the basics very well showed good charachter and worked hard the opposite of everything we did.
Looking at the current England squad there's a real lack of leadership in comparison to just 5-6 years ago and even then we were poor.
Last two managers who have got anything decent from England have been Veneables and Robson, both strong charachters who instilled confidence in players and were very good at protecting the players from the pressure of the media and outside world.
 
And they almost got a third near the end of the game that Hart saved.

Clearly, like the players, I had given up at that point and already trying to erase the memory of the game
 
Belgian commentator on Roy Hodgson

"He is watching the game like a cow watching a train pass by - he has no idea what is happening!"
 
Belgian commentator on Roy Hodgson

"He is watching the game like a cow watching a train pass by - he has no idea what is happening!"

It's a great description, but then again I think we were all a bit like that!

Saying that, he's the Manager...
 
It's a great description, but then again I think we were all a bit like that!

Saying that, he's the Manager...

I think we could all see a bunch of individual players in search of a coherent pattern of play with Roy on the touchline found out because he hadn't installed one. The training ground must have been for sun bathing.
 
Had 3 (overhead kick which was straight at him)....your point still stands though

That save doesn't count as the referee blew up for a foul...High feet and gave England a free kick
 
Still in utter disbelief at last night!

The manner in which we reacted to conceding that instant equaliser was very Wolves like. We weren't prepared to a scenario like this, looked shocked and just froze. From then on I don't think we ever looked like scoring?

We have started on a path in which we are doing better developing players. We are starting to see the benefits of that too, there is a lot of talent not just in our squad but in the 14-18 bracket. If the pathway is right for them the talent pool will increase significantly.

My issue now really is producing talented coaches. For too long in general it has been a jobs for the boys. On what basis did Neville really get the gig as assistant other than being an ex-pro who did some good work as a pundit? Across academy football and in coach education ex-pros are being fast tracked into these roles and handed qualifications having proved nothing. It is nonsense. Big changes are happening in coach education to our courses over the course of the next year or so, hopefully this will give young coaches a better education.

I feel for Roy as I think he had us on the right path but I don't think he was good enough to execute it sadly. His legacy will be of reducing expectations at each tournament and still not meeting them. Who next? Fuck knows. I'm sick of people championing Glenn Hoddle. We need a review of how we manage the England team in my opinion. In all likelihood it will be Southgate, at least for the next couple of years but I think we really need something different and inventive. Maybe a leader (not even necessarily from a football background) with a team of young coaches. Throw lots of money at Sir Alex Ferguson and let him have a young assistant who could take other - though that could have been the plan with Hodgson and Neville and look how that turned out.
 
Still in utter disbelief at last night!

The manner in which we reacted to conceding that instant equaliser was very Wolves like. We weren't prepared to a scenario like this, looked shocked and just froze. From then on I don't think we ever looked like scoring?

We have started on a path in which we are doing better developing players. We are starting to see the benefits of that too, there is a lot of talent not just in our squad but in the 14-18 bracket. If the pathway is right for them the talent pool will increase significantly.

My issue now really is producing talented coaches. For too long in general it has been a jobs for the boys. On what basis did Neville really get the gig as assistant other than being an ex-pro who did some good work as a pundit? Across academy football and in coach education ex-pros are being fast tracked into these roles and handed qualifications having proved nothing. It is nonsense. Big changes are happening in coach education to our courses over the course of the next year or so, hopefully this will give young coaches a better education.

I feel for Roy as I think he had us on the right path but I don't think he was good enough to execute it sadly. His legacy will be of reducing expectations at each tournament and still not meeting them. Who next? Fuck knows. I'm sick of people championing Glenn Hoddle. We need a review of how we manage the England team in my opinion. In all likelihood it will be Southgate, at least for the next couple of years but I think we really need something different and inventive. Maybe a leader (not even necessarily from a football background) with a team of young coaches. Throw lots of money at Sir Alex Ferguson and let him have a young assistant who could take other - though that could have been the plan with Hodgson and Neville and look how that turned out.

Really good post mate, but there's no way SAF would ever manage England.

I really don't have a clue who we should appoint, or who would want the job as it seems to be such a poisoned chalice. Oh for a manager like Conte who got his side playing some great stuff yesterday. They looked like an actual team, the polar opposite to England. Sure, the passion is good as well and gives us something to chuckle about but he had every single player working their balls off, and they ALL knew their jobs and performed perfectly.
 
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