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that was as bad as watching Wolves play. no pace, no tactics, no idea
The Official Euro 2016 Megathread
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Rooney:
We tried
We gave everything
We just weren't good enough
Fuck off Wayne, if that is the team trying and giving everything then fuck me sideways.
We tried
We gave everything
We just weren't good enough
Fuck off Wayne, if that is the team trying and giving everything then fuck me sideways.
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Nah - had enough of losing today
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The worse thing about all of this is we took the lead, I think the way Iceland hit back straight away completely knocked the stuffing out of us which we never recovered just shows no charachter.
Why on earth were the likes on Barkley and Stones even taken, Roy resigning is fair enough but it means he has no responsibility to explain what went wrong tonight.
Why on earth were the likes on Barkley and Stones even taken, Roy resigning is fair enough but it means he has no responsibility to explain what went wrong tonight.
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For fuck's sake. Where to even start with that? Let's to try break it down to a series of failures, managerial and individual.
MANAGERIAL
- We entered the tournament having moved away from everything we'd done in qualifying, in the end the ploy seemed to be to chuck as many attacking players on the pitch as possible and hope for the best. You can have as many forwards as you like but if you have no defined shape or pattern of play then they're not going to do anything.
- This led to key players playing out of position - Alli way too deep, Sturridge out as a wide right forward, Rooney in a role where he's yet to establish himself at club let alone international level - not a situation you should be in during tournament football.
- The movement. Or lack of. My days, the sheer lack of movement. So many times we had possession in the middle of the park and whoever was on the ball was staring up at five white shirts stood stock still 40 yards away. I really thought those days were over. This has to be some kind of a managerial flaw on Hodgson's part because those players do not show the mobility of a skip in club football.
- After a shocker of a first half where everything had become far, far too frantic after we went behind, half time was the opportunity to make any changes, calm the players down, get us keeping the ball again (as we had in the first three games) and to out-football a very willing but limited team. Instead we were even more fragmented. That second half was hideous, right up there in the ranks of terrible England performances (and I've seen a few in 28 years).
- Hodgson is a very decent man but ultimately this is a results business. He leaves with three wins in three tournaments. We were in the lead for a total of 14 minutes in this entire tournament. We've failed to beat Russia, Slovakia and Iceland here. None of that is defensible.
INDIVIDUAL
- Joe Hart's carved out a well earned reputation as one of the better keepers in Europe but in this tournament he has produced two absolute shockers. Mistakes happen of course, but you can ill afford them in games of this magnitude.
- You send out a back four and you look to your most experienced man to marshal that defence, lead them through the game, organise them properly and make sure everything's done as far as possible with the minimum of fuss and with maximum authority. Gary Cahill fails on pretty much all these fronts. Cannot organise, we look as jittery as hell with him the main man back there, cumbersome on the turn, poor on the ball, unconvincing in the air...when you compare him to the likes of Adams, Campbell, Ferdinand and Terry that we've had in the last 20 years, he's absolutely nowhere near that level. You could put this down as a managerial failure really too being as he's looked like this for Chelsea for 18 months.
- So many players today having basic technique go inexplicably awry. Anyone can have a bad game but falling over the ball, not being able to make five yards passes, first touches bouncing wildly away...really? Rooney, Kane and Alli all particularly guilty of this tonight.
- Two extremes of the spectrum and equally damaging to the team. Raheem Sterling's shrink into rank cowardice where he more or less entirely refuses to take his man on, continually settles for the five yard pass inside or trying to win a cheap corner rather than playing as a proper winger, and Daniel Sturridge's ludicrous over-confidence in relation to his actual ability, pointless over-elaboration as if this is a game of FIFA Street, inability to see the wider picture in a game...both are of very little use in their current respective mindsets.
- This is a managerial failure too (because why has he been entrusted with them) but over the last month Harry Kane has taken some of the worst set pieces I have seen, not just for England, in all football. Perpetually miles overhit, shots on goal that are absolutely nowhere near the target, where on earth has he got the reputation as a deadly set piece taker from? I've seen him score one free kick for Spurs, nearly two years ago, and it took a wild deflection. He is not capable of taking them and him being on that duty wiped out an entire line of attack for us.
THE FUTURE
In the grand scheme of things, that is possibly the worst defeat I've ever seen us have. The only one that comes close is the 2-0 away in Norway in 1993. Hodgson's position was entirely untenable, in respect of this loss and his overall tournament record, he had to go, no questions about that. But where do we go from here? We have a core of good young players (who have been taken down several pegs here...so rebuilding confidence will be a big issue in an England shirt) but there are others in that squad who I don't think should be playing international football again. That includes the captain who is clearly in decline and is unlikely to be of much value to us in 2018. But the key, of course, is the new manager. Southgate has been installed as the early favourite which to me would be a disaster. I have seen his U21 teams play and they do not play good football at all, it's a confused mess, his work with Middlesbrough was poor and beyond being employed by the FA for years I'm not sure what would qualify him. If the likes of Allardyce and Bruce weren't good enough in 2006 then they certainly aren't good enough in 2016. Will we go foreign again? Laurent Blanc is available but he did a moderate job with France and a moderate job with PSG, there isn't much there to suggest he's going to be an unqualified success. I'd love Slaven Bilic but why would he give up the gig he's got now? There are others in Europe I would consider but I'm not going to waste time debating them now before I know if the FA are even looking in that direction.
A very low moment in supporting England and there are multiple questions surrounding identity, serial underperformance at tournaments, the strange dichotomy between club and international performances and where we're actually heading. Loads of questions, not many answers.
MANAGERIAL
- We entered the tournament having moved away from everything we'd done in qualifying, in the end the ploy seemed to be to chuck as many attacking players on the pitch as possible and hope for the best. You can have as many forwards as you like but if you have no defined shape or pattern of play then they're not going to do anything.
- This led to key players playing out of position - Alli way too deep, Sturridge out as a wide right forward, Rooney in a role where he's yet to establish himself at club let alone international level - not a situation you should be in during tournament football.
- The movement. Or lack of. My days, the sheer lack of movement. So many times we had possession in the middle of the park and whoever was on the ball was staring up at five white shirts stood stock still 40 yards away. I really thought those days were over. This has to be some kind of a managerial flaw on Hodgson's part because those players do not show the mobility of a skip in club football.
- After a shocker of a first half where everything had become far, far too frantic after we went behind, half time was the opportunity to make any changes, calm the players down, get us keeping the ball again (as we had in the first three games) and to out-football a very willing but limited team. Instead we were even more fragmented. That second half was hideous, right up there in the ranks of terrible England performances (and I've seen a few in 28 years).
- Hodgson is a very decent man but ultimately this is a results business. He leaves with three wins in three tournaments. We were in the lead for a total of 14 minutes in this entire tournament. We've failed to beat Russia, Slovakia and Iceland here. None of that is defensible.
INDIVIDUAL
- Joe Hart's carved out a well earned reputation as one of the better keepers in Europe but in this tournament he has produced two absolute shockers. Mistakes happen of course, but you can ill afford them in games of this magnitude.
- You send out a back four and you look to your most experienced man to marshal that defence, lead them through the game, organise them properly and make sure everything's done as far as possible with the minimum of fuss and with maximum authority. Gary Cahill fails on pretty much all these fronts. Cannot organise, we look as jittery as hell with him the main man back there, cumbersome on the turn, poor on the ball, unconvincing in the air...when you compare him to the likes of Adams, Campbell, Ferdinand and Terry that we've had in the last 20 years, he's absolutely nowhere near that level. You could put this down as a managerial failure really too being as he's looked like this for Chelsea for 18 months.
- So many players today having basic technique go inexplicably awry. Anyone can have a bad game but falling over the ball, not being able to make five yards passes, first touches bouncing wildly away...really? Rooney, Kane and Alli all particularly guilty of this tonight.
- Two extremes of the spectrum and equally damaging to the team. Raheem Sterling's shrink into rank cowardice where he more or less entirely refuses to take his man on, continually settles for the five yard pass inside or trying to win a cheap corner rather than playing as a proper winger, and Daniel Sturridge's ludicrous over-confidence in relation to his actual ability, pointless over-elaboration as if this is a game of FIFA Street, inability to see the wider picture in a game...both are of very little use in their current respective mindsets.
- This is a managerial failure too (because why has he been entrusted with them) but over the last month Harry Kane has taken some of the worst set pieces I have seen, not just for England, in all football. Perpetually miles overhit, shots on goal that are absolutely nowhere near the target, where on earth has he got the reputation as a deadly set piece taker from? I've seen him score one free kick for Spurs, nearly two years ago, and it took a wild deflection. He is not capable of taking them and him being on that duty wiped out an entire line of attack for us.
THE FUTURE
In the grand scheme of things, that is possibly the worst defeat I've ever seen us have. The only one that comes close is the 2-0 away in Norway in 1993. Hodgson's position was entirely untenable, in respect of this loss and his overall tournament record, he had to go, no questions about that. But where do we go from here? We have a core of good young players (who have been taken down several pegs here...so rebuilding confidence will be a big issue in an England shirt) but there are others in that squad who I don't think should be playing international football again. That includes the captain who is clearly in decline and is unlikely to be of much value to us in 2018. But the key, of course, is the new manager. Southgate has been installed as the early favourite which to me would be a disaster. I have seen his U21 teams play and they do not play good football at all, it's a confused mess, his work with Middlesbrough was poor and beyond being employed by the FA for years I'm not sure what would qualify him. If the likes of Allardyce and Bruce weren't good enough in 2006 then they certainly aren't good enough in 2016. Will we go foreign again? Laurent Blanc is available but he did a moderate job with France and a moderate job with PSG, there isn't much there to suggest he's going to be an unqualified success. I'd love Slaven Bilic but why would he give up the gig he's got now? There are others in Europe I would consider but I'm not going to waste time debating them now before I know if the FA are even looking in that direction.
A very low moment in supporting England and there are multiple questions surrounding identity, serial underperformance at tournaments, the strange dichotomy between club and international performances and where we're actually heading. Loads of questions, not many answers.
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I dont believe the players didnt try! Too much nervous petrification to not be trying. Roy fucked it up and confused his self in those friendlies then
made ridiculous decisions (he brought Sterling back to give the lad confidence) he thought we would cakewalk the tie. Based on what? Im 52 and have only seen England play well in a couple of world cups and euro 96. This to me is the same as the "play the kids" campaigners. Alan Border the Aussie cricketer said play your best players every time and injuries will give opportunities to those waiting for the chance to become the best and that fucker knew a thing or two about winning.
I admit that dead rubbers like the end of our season are the exception. Anyway Kenny should get the England job as the media love him even though he hasnt got a clue!
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made ridiculous decisions (he brought Sterling back to give the lad confidence) he thought we would cakewalk the tie. Based on what? Im 52 and have only seen England play well in a couple of world cups and euro 96. This to me is the same as the "play the kids" campaigners. Alan Border the Aussie cricketer said play your best players every time and injuries will give opportunities to those waiting for the chance to become the best and that fucker knew a thing or two about winning.
I admit that dead rubbers like the end of our season are the exception. Anyway Kenny should get the England job as the media love him even though he hasnt got a clue!
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Deutsch - You'd have to put basic lack of being able to defend an opposition's key strength, like the long throw in of Iceland. It took until midway through the 2nd half before Rooney stopped marking the first man and the runners were being picked up properly. Both Hodgson and Neville have to take the rap for this. Also where does Neville go now? Failed at Valencia, and failed with England. Back to Sky I guess or a lower league team.
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True. Failing to defend a long throw is just nonsense. Gunnarsson has regularly chucked them in against us for Coventry and Cardiff. They have rarely caused us any problems, and it isn't down to us having exceptional centre halves or world class organisation. It's shocking defending all round.
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Harry redknapp or Sam Allardyce would have had us win the group and reach the quarter finals by default. Maybe then they would have got found out but wouldn't be worse than the other shit over the years.
The fact Hodgson has done this bad is disgraceful. Saunders levels of ineptitude
The fact Hodgson has done this bad is disgraceful. Saunders levels of ineptitude
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Anger has turned to total despondent, if we qualify in two years do we have to go through this again?
No knockout win in 10 years and never won a knockout tie at the Euros apart from penalty shootout win.
We seem to be getting worse at tournaments, 2014 was awful but to be fair we played a better level of opposition.
No knockout win in 10 years and never won a knockout tie at the Euros apart from penalty shootout win.
We seem to be getting worse at tournaments, 2014 was awful but to be fair we played a better level of opposition.
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We looked a lot like Brazil last night.
Not the free flowing football masters of old, but the scared shitless, deer-in-headlights, panic ridden lot that got humped by Germany.
I dont remember where, but I read recently that in past tournaments the entire squad would be petrified of being 'the one' that fucked up, the Gareth Southgate, the Chris Waddle or the David Beckham.
Last night they collectively, and spectacularly, failed and succumbed to England's worst defeat in my lifetime but, let's face it, it's been coming. We are systematically atrocious at tournament football, we're the antithesis of Germany: the further we go the worse we get. Stuck in a downward spiral, weighed down by past failure and haunted by the prospect of being singled out by an entire nation.
The worst thing is that I can't see any way out for us. We'll just stumble along from failure to failure from here to eternity, stuck in football purgatory until we lose all hope.
Not the free flowing football masters of old, but the scared shitless, deer-in-headlights, panic ridden lot that got humped by Germany.
I dont remember where, but I read recently that in past tournaments the entire squad would be petrified of being 'the one' that fucked up, the Gareth Southgate, the Chris Waddle or the David Beckham.
Last night they collectively, and spectacularly, failed and succumbed to England's worst defeat in my lifetime but, let's face it, it's been coming. We are systematically atrocious at tournament football, we're the antithesis of Germany: the further we go the worse we get. Stuck in a downward spiral, weighed down by past failure and haunted by the prospect of being singled out by an entire nation.
The worst thing is that I can't see any way out for us. We'll just stumble along from failure to failure from here to eternity, stuck in football purgatory until we lose all hope.
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Some countries would kill just to have qualified in the last ten years, tbf.
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Exactly what he is doing. Rejoined Sky before the Euros.
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Should be interesting. Think his credibility is badly damaged.
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Yep...No Holland this time round. I was just waiting for it to all go wrong, not surprised and will now happily move on. I'm hardened to this kind of ineptitude after going to watch Wolves home and some away last season.
Roy gone, Neville gone and that should be it for Rooney.
Thanks for the goals Wayne but you are no longer one of the top 4 forwards in the country and you sure as hell ain't one of the top six midfielders in the country! You have all the leadership qualities of a field mouse and England need quick, sharp passing to progress, not "Hollywood balls".
Henderson should never get near an England squad again and Hart needs dropping...He needs to spend less time worrying about his head and shoulders and sort his bloody weak wrists out.
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