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So Baltimore basically defeated by Mark Andrews.

Having watched this Buffalo performance I think the Chiefs win next weekend.
 
Too fucking tense.

Allen and Jackson are both class acts. Don't know too much about Lamar, but Allen is a very humble down to earth guy for a superstar.
 
Dennisons Wrong Foot said:
Allen only threw for 126 yards today. Next week will be different.
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Doesn't necessarily need to be. All 4 winning QBs this weekend threw for less yards than the losers. Allen half what Lamar did, Hurts nearly 200 less than Stafford. The difference was turnovers / ball security
 
Tony Towner said:
Doesn't necessarily need to be. All 4 winning QBs this weekend threw for less yards than the losers. Allen half what Lamar did, Hurts nearly 200 less than Stafford. The difference was turnovers / ball security
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Won on the ground today, right for the circumstances. But I assume that is an outlier for Allen. And I don't think the Chiefs will turn it over like the Ravens did.

I don't know if snow is likely next weekend but believe the Bills will have to win the game instead of not lose it. He must throw it more - and further.
 
It was clearly the gameplan and it worked. There would have been serious questions asked about the coaching if the Bills had lost, essentially self-neutralising your best player. On to the Chiefs. It will be a different game.
 
Given Hurts is at best going to be playing banged up then Washington +5 seems very generous. A week beforehand I fancy both away teams.
 
I think we came through yesterday with a pretty clean bill of health.

We beat you without Hurts. You banged us up with him. It could be a coin toss but Saquon probably justifies a slight Eagles favourite status. Think it will be an absolute banger.
 
Both Champos are proper showstoppers this year. Immense star power; Mahomes v. Allen, Barkley v. Daniels…

Don’t know if it’s hope-bias, but expecting the Bills and Eagles to pull it off. Not sure how much difference Hurts makes one way or the other just now; I know Tony has been immensely frustrated by the sacks and whatnot this season, but if last night was indicative of the season, whoever is designing their passing plays is a fucking moron. 6 out of the 7 sacks Jalen took he genuinely had nowhere to throw it, in part because the routes being run were absolutely nonsensical. LA’s defense being legit played a part, of course, but routes have to compliment each other, and too often with Philly the WRs end up impeding each other and making things significantly easier for the secondary to cover up. To give Jalen some credit, tho, he audibled into both of the plays that Saquon scored, so that’s not nothing.

As for KC and Buffalo, the Bills are simply the better team overall, but as I’ve alluded to, the chemistry between Mahomes, Kelce, and Reid can pull off the impossible with almost casual aplomb.

Pulling for y’all, @Tony Towner and @Dire Wolf (with apologies to @Paddingtonwolf).
 
Alan said:
Both Champos are proper showstoppers this year. Immense star power; Mahomes v. Allen, Barkley v. Daniels…

Don’t know if it’s hope-bias, but expecting the Bills and Eagles to pull it off. Not sure how much difference Hurts makes one way or the other just now; I know Tony has been immensely frustrated by the sacks and whatnot this season, but if last night was indicative of the season, whoever is designing their passing plays is a fucking moron. 6 out of the 7 sacks Jalen took he genuinely had nowhere to throw it, in part because the routes being run were absolutely nonsensical. LA’s defense being legit played a part, of course, but routes have to compliment each other, and too often with Philly the WRs end up impeding each other and making things significantly easier for the secondary to cover up.

As for KC and Buffalo, the Bills are simply the better team overall, but as I’ve alluded to, the chemistry between Mahomes, Kelce, and Reid can pull off the impossible with almost casual aplomb.

Pulling for y’all, @Tony Towner and @Dire Wolf (with apologies to @Paddingtonwolf).
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That's not really true, it's the other way. Only 1 of those sacks isn't on him, the one ending in the fumble, on all the others he could have thrown the ball away at the very least. 2 of them knocked them out of FG range on 3rd down which just cannot happen. Jimmy Kempski sums it up well here.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1881340561904508960

That said he's crucial to how Barkley plays, if the opposition don't respect the run you can shut him down, as he's a shifty back who'll find the tightest space and break through it as opposed to a thumper. The last Washington game showed the difference to his game with Hurts and Pickett starkly. He needs to play AND they need to think he can be mobile if neither of those things happen, Washington will win handily.

I agree on Kellen Moore though, I wouldn't shed any tears if he gets one of the 3 HC jobs he's gone for
 
Oh, no disagreement at all with your point, he needs to have a quicker “clock” to throwing it away. You see this fairly consistently in the playoffs; fewer throwaways and more attempts at keeping a play alive. Obviously that’s been an issue all season with Hurts and made all the worse by the knee injury, but IMO if the plays were better designed and his read progressions more natural (as dictated by the play design, naturally), I think it would alleviate a lot of that.

A bunch of Moore’s plays split the field into thirds and leave the middle third vacant, meaning Jalen has to completely shift his body to get from read 3 to 4 (or 2 to 3, depending). That’s exacerbating a weakness that has always existed in Jalen’s game (in-play processing); Moore should be designing around that and instead he makes it worse. It’s pretty dire tbh (no pun intended).

I suppose Moore is thinking that this leaves space for Jalen to scramble when he can, but it takes far too long to get to that point, and while the offensive line hasn’t gone over a cliff without Kelce, it’s still allowing pressure through the middle in ways it just didn’t seem to over the last two seasons. Notice how often Jalen feels pressure, tries to step into the pocket, and then immediately has to move laterally because the guards are being pushed backward, too.

Game of millimeters and milliseconds innit.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with too much of that. They don't miss Kelce much as a center, Jurgens has been a pro bowler this year, where they do miss him is is in setting the protections, that's fallen to Hurts and there's no doubt teams are getting to him quicker than they used to. I wouldn't say Becton has been a weakness as such at RG but he's a drop below the rest of the Oline so is the player who gets targeted on passing plays. He's been as good as the rest on running plays though.

Moore is calling the plays, but it's not his scheme which is usually more creative, it's a hybrid of him, Sirianni and Hurts also has a big (probably too big a say). It's undoubtedly too vanilla and routes don't compliment each other.
 
It's the dream NFL franchise if someone can ever unlock it. Williams showed glimpses last season, I think it's a great hire, although a lot of his strengths in drawing up funky plays will be mitigated when he doesn't have the time. I read he wanted to be the second highest paid HC after Reid, so it's a big play.

Lions are going to lose both their coordinators, they'll take a step back next year imo.
 
I’m just shocked that the Bears actually got the best option available to them. Exceedingly rare for that franchise.
 
This may be a British v American thing, but some of the social media clips of Johnson over the last 24hrs have been cringeworthy, all the whooping and hollering and much too close to the defeat at the weekend for my liking, particularly given where he's gone to. He's such a try hard, just no need to say this and you know it'll.come back to bite him on the arse. I say this fully aware that the HC of the team I follow is an absolute cock

https://twitter.com/x/status/1882130707704930331
 
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