The Live Match Discussion Thread: 2019/2020

[Tony Towner]

Agreed, as long as we don't give silly goals away.

If you look at our goals against in totality this year we are pretty solid, ultimately only Liverpool have lost less.

Then look at those which we have had a major hand in then you can see we are kicking ourselves in the bollocks and unfortunately in most of the obviously preventable ones Coady has more than played a part.

 

[Premier Quality]

I want to say its implementation went rather smoothly in Eredivisie and the Bundesliga, based on what I've read. It's also pretty smooth in MLS (which I've been able to see first-hand).

Do they do it to the millimetre like we do, or just overrule clear and obvious errors? (Genuine question)

 

[Alan]

Do they do it to the millimetre like we do, or just overrule clear and obvious errors? (Genuine question)

They do seem to be good about keeping it to "clear and obvious" errors.

One thing about the way we do it here that I haven't noticed in the Prem; the primary official still gets the final say on a call. If the replay official spots what he believes to be an error, he contacts the ref, who then views a replay of the incident personally. Then he makes the final call.

 

[Premier Quality]

I’d be absolutely fine with VAR if it was for clear and obvious errors. That’s not what we have though, and what we have is shite.

 

[Tony Towner]

The problem is how do you define clear and obvious? Cutrone was offside on Saturday, if you are using VAR then I don't see how you can't give it. If you amend the offside law as I've seen some say then I don't think you fix the problem, you just move the metric of judgement

 

[The Bear]

They do seem to be good about keeping it to "clear and obvious" errors.

One thing about the way we do it here that I haven't noticed in the Prem; the primary official still gets the final say on a call. If the replay official spots what he believes to be an error, he contacts the ref, who then views a replay of the incident personally. Then he makes the final call.

That's how it was done in the World Cup and how it should be done here. Unfortunately we have cretins on charge of the game here.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

The ref going to view a screen was wank.

What you need is better people viewing the replays so they can analyse it much quicker and then actually have the balls to tell the referee he was wrong.

Majority of the decisions that have annoyed people this season have been quicker to see for yourself on the TV replay than waiting for VAR to make their mind up and chat to the referee. It just needs speeding up, have the refs asking for things to be checked before play breaks down, VAR constantly reviewing anything they think might be contentious and a bit of humility from the on field guy to accept someone else's opinion.

Having the guy saunter over to the tunnel to watch it himself is never going to be quick enough to make it work well.

 

[Premier Quality]

The problem is how do you define clear and obvious? Cutrone was offside on Saturday, if you are using VAR then I don't see how you can't give it. If you amend the offside law as I've seen some say then I don't think you fix the problem, you just move the metric of judgement

You give them 20/30seconds to find a problem - if it takes longer than that then it’s not clear and obvious. No two minutes of waiting to kick off again whilst they wonder whose shirt was blowing that direction the most.

 

[Johnny75]

The ref going to view a screen was wank.

What you need is better people viewing the replays so they can analyse it much quicker and then actually have the balls to tell the referee he was wrong.

Majority of the decisions that have annoyed people this season have been quicker to see for yourself on the TV replay than waiting for VAR to make their mind up and chat to the referee. It just needs speeding up, have the refs asking for things to be checked before play breaks down, VAR constantly reviewing anything they think might be contentious and a bit of humility from the on field guy to accept someone else's opinion.

Having the guy saunter over to the tunnel to watch it himself is never going to be quick enough to make it work well.

This. Play the replay on the giant screens in the ground. No hiding then.

 

[arklowolf]

This. Play the replay on the giant screens in the ground. No hiding then.

Maybe there could be some leeway with decisions (offsides particularly). Something like 'Umpires Call' in cricket.
Or a 'two frame' rule where the image could be rolled back two frames to give the attacker a slight advantage.
Better still get rid of VAR altogether. (Which I know wont happen).

 

[Carrotdude]

I think if it was quicker and the people in the ground knew what was going on then it would go a long way to solving the problem with VAR.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I think if it was quicker and the people in the ground knew what was going on then it would go a long way to solving the problem with VAR.

From my limited viewing of Rugby there seems to be much more continual dialogue between the two parties, so if the referee thinks something looks a bit suspect he might allow play to continue but ask for it to be looked at so he can call it back if needs be or the guy monitoring the video might spot something and give the ref a word that there's something he might want to have a think about. Think that sort of process would go some way to alleviating a lot of the problems, take that United goal on Sunday as an example, referee would obviously have seen the incident with Origi and could have asked for a video review whilst playing the advantage, then you should be in a position to make an instant decision once the ball is in the net and you get a break in play.

Problem being the officials at the moment are so slow that even something like Jimenez's first ruled out effort on Saturday takes an age to confirm even though the linesman saw it in real time and the first TV replay made it abundantly clear what had happened, if they can't sort out something that straight forward in time then expecting them to juggle their focus between recent incidents and live play is probably a stretch too far for the current incumbents.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Good TMO example was the French red card on Sunday. Peyper (the ref) never saw any of the incident. He was alerted by his touch judge to an arm around the neck which would have just been a penalty. Then you could hear the TMO say “I am going to show you potential foul play” as he had seen the elbow. The incident is shown to the ref on the big screen, and he pretty much instantly says it is a clear sending off and deals with it.

 

[Tony Towner]

Albion are coming up. Whenever they get themselves in a hole they dig themselves out. Character as Brentdan would say.

Not sure I've seen 8/11 starters booked before

 

[BillyDee]

Arsenal equalise, but get away with one hell of a dive in the build up...

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Behind again now...

 

[BillyDee]

Arsenal playing walking football, Victoria not fucking about...

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

This is not a good Arsenal side.

Celtic losing now as well against Lazio.

 

[Tony Towner]

...

 

[BillyDee]

Great FK by Pepe, don't know where the keeper was stood though.