The Football News Thread 2014/15 - Everything not Wolves News Related

[Paddingtonwolf]

Nothing short of insane.

 

[Kenny]

Like I say, its just the Politicians way of showing they are "in touch"

Cons and Lib Dems will be along shortly with their (never going to happen) plans.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So, they want supporters to own up to 10% of each club. How is this paid for? How is the value calculated in a debt-leveraged takeover?

They want supporters to appoint or remove up to 2 directors. When? Which directors? Will these be in addition to the current board, otherwise, in our case all the webmongs would vote Morgan and Moxey out and the club would then be fucked.

Ridiculous.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Personally I think the likes of Chambers, Stones, Shaw and possibly Barkley would benefit from it but Wilshere, Ox, Sterling etc are too far in to the senior set up now and I don't think it would help them or the existing group.

I agree with you. And also I do not think clubs should be able to determine who can be selected.

 

[Johnny75]

So, they want supporters to own up to 10% of each club. How is this paid for? How is the value calculated in a debt-leveraged takeover?

They want supporters to appoint or remove up to 2 directors. When? Which directors? Will these be in addition to the current board, otherwise, in our case all the webmongs would vote Morgan and Moxey out and the club would then be $#@!ed.

Ridiculous.

It's a 'pissed up policy in a pub' idea. And should have stayed in whichever bar they were in at the time. Barmy, if they're going to try and emulate the German model then they would get the clubs onside rather than forcing them to do something. Which is effectively what they're trying to do. And what a surprise, politicians claim new and innovative approach that has been done elsewhere a decade before. Bellends.

It's almost as if everybody ignores the elephants in the room which isn't the owners, the fans or the race of football managers it is the rampant greed of the top clubs. If they really wanted to help fans they would find a way to make high ticket prices prohibitive to the clubs. Better still actually enforce FFP and correlate it with ticket price by enforcing a luxury tax which cannot be passed on to the fan.

 

[NorwayFB]

A white card for dissent,10 mins in the naughty bin.Thoughts?

(apparently one of many ideas of the great Platini).

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Brainfart

 

[Johnny75]

A white card for dissent,10 mins in the naugthy bin.Thoughts?

(apparently one of many ideas of the great Platini).

Not for dissent that just gives referees too much power. There is merit in sending somebody off for 10 minutes for a second yellow or non-serious foul play red cards (handball on the line, last man professional foul) or even 5 fouls (which can be easily done at professional level with 4th officials) much like they do in basketball. Can still have the yellow and red cards as we have now and would give the officials more leeway with decisions.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

A white card for dissent,10 mins in the naugthy bin.Thoughts?

(apparently one of many ideas of the great Platini).

A sin bin has been discussed on numerous occasions. I think Platini is just trying to get it on the agenda again.

 

[NorwayFB]

A sin bin has been discussed on numerous occasions. I think Platini is just trying to get it on the agenda again.

It's not a bad idea having the option to give short penalties like that,I'd rather have it for diving/simulating tho.The downside is it's probably going to be ruining the match more than a dive most of the time.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

It's not a bad idea having the option to give short penalties like that,I'd rather have it for diving/simulating tho.The downside is it's probably going to be ruining the match more than a dive most of the time.

There is already a punishment in place for simulation. More referees need to enforce it, and caution players.

 

[NorwayFB]

There is already a punishment in place for simulation. More referees need to enforce it, and caution players.

I disagree,even the FA is going out of their way to diminish the impact of yellow cards with amnesties and stuff.It really isn't a very good punishment when it (diving and such) just keeps escalating.

 

[NorwayFB]

While we're on the topic,Leandro Damiao taking attempted cheating to new heights!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's a 'pissed up policy in a pub' idea. And should have stayed in whichever bar they were in at the time. Barmy, if they're going to try and emulate the German model then they would get the clubs onside rather than forcing them to do something. Which is effectively what they're trying to do. And what a surprise, politicians claim new and innovative approach that has been done elsewhere a decade before. Bellends.

It's almost as if everybody ignores the elephants in the room which isn't the owners, the fans or the race of football managers it is the rampant greed of the top clubs. If they really wanted to help fans they would find a way to make high ticket prices prohibitive to the clubs. Better still actually enforce FFP and correlate it with ticket price by enforcing a luxury tax which cannot be passed on to the fan.

Premier League clubs have no excuse for setting prices as they do given that matchday revenue is a fraction of their income these days. Burnley have put the prices up by stupid amounts and it stinks. Disgraceful way to treat the fans.

Alan Sugar's quote from 1991 holds true now as it has done at any point over the last 20 years. It doesn't matter how much money you give clubs, they'll just piss it all away on wages.

 

[Johnny75]

There is already a punishment in place for simulation. More referees need to enforce it, and caution players.

But they don't Frank so there needs to be an alternative that they can enforce without hassle. I'm sure if you gave the officials options they would choose better rather than the all or nothing approach which is the current way.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Not for dissent that just gives referees too much power. There is merit in sending somebody off for 10 minutes for a second yellow or non-serious foul play red cards (handball on the line, last man professional foul) or even 5 fouls (which can be easily done at professional level with 4th officials) much like they do in basketball. Can still have the yellow and red cards as we have now and would give the officials more leeway with decisions.

Football is the only sport where dissent is tolerated, but a lot of that is down to the referee not being strong enough. But the idea would not give referees too much power, it would allow them to better control the game. I do not think that rugby referees have too much power, though they are in a sport where the authority of match officials is respected.

Regarding second yellow cards, the laws of the game are quite clear in that regard, as they are for a professional foul. I cannot see those laws being changed in the foreseeable future.

 

[lemonjelly]

Isn't dissent not already a punishable offence?
I always thought it was.

 

[Johnny75]

Football is the only sport where dissent is tolerated, but a lot of that is down to the referee not being strong enough. But the idea would not give referees too much power, it would allow them to better control the game. I do not think that rugby referees have too much power, though they are in a sport where the authority of match officials is respected.

Regarding second yellow cards, the laws of the game are quite clear in that regard, as they are for a professional foul. I cannot see those laws being changed in the foreseeable future.

That's a silly stance to take. Nearly everybody in the game (including referees) agree that the laws aren't flexible enough so change is needed. And change needs to happen to refereeing as the game has changed so much in terms of personnel and speed. Other sports have adapted but football still has a bad attitude to change.

 

[Tony Towner]

I was curious to know what people thought about this. On one hand, you could throw them all in and try and win the tournament but then what does that say to the core of the group that got them there in the first place maybe?

I'd pick all those eligible with the exception of those who are first 11 senior team players. At the moment that is only Sterling and Wilshire.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

That's a silly stance to take. Nearly everybody in the game (including referees) agree that the laws aren't flexible enough so change is needed. And change needs to happen to refereeing as the game has changed so much in terms of personnel and speed. Other sports have adapted but football still has a bad attitude to change.

What is silly?

Please name these referees who want change?

How should refereeing change?