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The Film Thread

Having never been capable of watching more than fifteen minutes of any Star Wars film, is this new franchise likely to improve the quality of script, plot and content.

It's a Star Wars film. I highly doubt it. I'm sure it'll look amazing and I predict it'll be a vast improvement on the prequels but if you didn't enjoy any of the others, I can't see the new one appealing. JJ Abrams has said he wants to make it feel like a Star Wars film, rather than his own interpretation of a Star Wars film so I think it'll be similar in tone to the classics. I hope so anyway.
 
It's a Star Wars film. I highly doubt it. I'm sure it'll look amazing and I predict it'll be a vast improvement on the prequels but if you didn't enjoy any of the others, I can't see the new one appealing. JJ Abrams has said he wants to make it feel like a Star Wars film, rather than his own interpretation of a Star Wars film so I think it'll be similar in tone to the classics. I hope so anyway.

Thanks, Is it more a visual experience for Star Wars fans, speaking as someone who just doesn't get it.
 
Thanks, Is it more a visual experience for Star Wars fans, speaking as someone who just doesn't get it.

Obviously I've not seen it yet so I can't say for sure - I don't know. It might just be a decent sci fi film that might even create a new wave of Star Wars fans. Watch and see for yourself I guess!
 
BOOM - @piersmorgan it appears you're confusing fiction with reality again Piers. Like the time you claimed British troops tortured POW's.
 
Thanks, Is it more a visual experience for Star Wars fans, speaking as someone who just doesn't get it.

Not remotely for me.

I think Lucas made that mistake with the prequels which is why they were shite. He thought people wanted to see lightsabres, duels and huge space battles but that was never the appeal of Star Wars for me. I just thought the story and the characters were excellent and they just happened to be existing in a different galaxy. The lightsabre duels in the originals are nowhere near the prequels in technical terms but they have an emotional impact the prequels could only dream of. I have high hopes for the Force Awakens as it sounds like JJ Abrams understands all this perfectly.
 
Totally agree. I don't actually like the "remastered" originals. Most of the CGI doesn't enhance the original trilogy in any great way. Character interaction and plot is the key to a good space opera. The prequels fail dreadfully at that in places.
 
Totally agree. I don't actually like the "remastered" originals. Most of the CGI doesn't enhance the original trilogy in any great way. Character interaction and plot is the key to a good space opera. The prequels fail dreadfully at that in places.

Yep the 1997 versions are shit. Lucas became obsessed with how the films 'looked' when nobody actually gave a shit. Disney don't seem to be shifting on releasing the unaltered originals either which is a shame.
 
Things thas piss me off in order of irritation:

Young Anakin's ghost
Putting Fat space worm jabba over the human actor in Mos Eisley.
Han Solo SHOT FUCKING FIRST Lucas.
 
To move briefly away from Star Wars - Tarantino's Hateful 8 is out just after Christmas. Now that's exciting!
 
To move briefly away from Star Wars - Tarantino's Hateful 8 is out just after Christmas. Now that's exciting!

I'm looking forward to that. I finally got round to watching Django the other night and like you all said it's just brilliant.
 
Finished the Machete Order last night - without a doubt the best way to watch them. A few brief points that I've thought from this run through:

  • Episode II is worse than Episode I, but it's unavoidable in order to understand what goes on in Episode III. Episode I is rubbish and expendable, but it's still better than II.
  • The Luke/Leia plot twist works much better when you find out in III before its unveiled in VI. It had one of my mates genuinely surprised - it happens more dramatically.
  • I was torn between III and VI, but I watched them back to back last night and it really isn't close. VI is much better.
  • The start of VI is great when you've just watched III. Luke entering Jabba's palace is much better as he resembles his father so much.
  • When he first released the Special Editions, I thought the new scenes in IV around Mos Eisley and VI in Jabba's palace (with that band scene) looked really good. However, the effects don't look all that great anymore - and those 2 scenes in particular are pretty shockingly bad. They stick out like a sore thumb.
  • Episode V is really not hampered whatsoever by Lucas's tampering. The new scenes/SFX all actually work and don't stand out like a sore thumb. As a result, it's just bloody awesome. Having Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor is far better, which is the biggest change in the special editions.


Things thas piss me off in order of irritation:

Young Anakin's ghost
Putting Fat space worm jabba over the human actor in Mos Eisley.
Han Solo SHOT FUCKING FIRST Lucas.

Whereas you're absolutely spot on with Jabba (who looks nothing like the puppet Jabba from VI) and Greedo's death is IMHO the worst thing Lucas changed about the classics by some distance, I'm going to be controversial here and defend Hayden Christiansen's inclusion at the end of VI. Especially after watching it in the order I did. If you've only seen the originals, granted - it'd make no sense whatsoever. But it made far more sense having seen II and III in the middle of the viewing schedule. That was Anakin before he turned. So depending on which order you watch them in, the inclusion can either make perfect sense and tie it up nicely, or it could be a pretty pointless bit of tampering.

So - in order from best to worst:

V
IV
VI
III
I
II

On to Sunday!!!
 
I can see that school of thought I suppose. If you said that Anakin had ceased to exist as soon as he turned to Vader then it makes sense to have the young ghost. You could almost make a case for it not seeming incongruous next to Alec Guinness rather than Ewan McGregor.

However, that whole argument comes up against the premise that you see the back of Anakin's head in V, and then a full face shot in VI before he dies. Anakin is clearly a man in middle age and so has aged in all the time in Vader's armor. Therefore, Anakin does still exist in those brief minutes between turning on the Emperor and his death. So the ghost should be of the original actor. In this case, making it Christiansen is suddenly incongruous in the line-up next to Guinness. Now, by elbowing Christiansen into the line-up, the other ghost almost has to be McGregor for it to make any sense. The ghosts would then both at least relate to how the characters looked at the end of Sith.

Basically, what I am saying is the ghosts should be of the characters at the time of the their death, and the only way that works is with the original undoctored shot from 1983 version of Jedi.
 
I'm looking forward to that. I finally got round to watching Django the other night and like you all said it's just brilliant.

I annoyed myself by failing to watch it when it was on tv the other night :facepalm:
 
I can see that school of thought I suppose. If you said that Anakin had ceased to exist as soon as he turned to Vader then it makes sense to have the young ghost. You could almost make a case for it not seeming incongruous next to Alec Guinness rather than Ewan McGregor.

However, that whole argument comes up against the premise that you see the back of Anakin's head in V, and then a full face shot in VI before he dies. Anakin is clearly a man in middle age and so has aged in all the time in Vader's armor. Therefore, Anakin does still exist in those brief minutes between turning on the Emperor and his death. So the ghost should be of the original actor. In this case, making it Christiansen is suddenly incongruous in the line-up next to Guinness. Now, by elbowing Christiansen into the line-up, the other ghost almost has to be McGregor for it to make any sense. The ghosts would then both at least relate to how the characters looked at the end of Sith.

Basically, what I am saying is the ghosts should be of the characters at the time of the their death, and the only way that works is with the original undoctored shot from 1983 version of Jedi.

Yep - all true, but it's not like you see Sebastian Shaw looking like a healthy Jedi at any point in the saga. Hayden Christiansen is far more recognisable as 'Jedi Anakin' IF you've also seen the prequels. We saw Alec Guinness before/after he died in his Jedi robes - so whereas we've seen one shot of Anakin when he WASN'T Hayden Christiansen (I'm obviously totally disregarding Jake Lloyd from all of this), we've seen Obi Wan in plenty of scenes as both Ewan McGregor and Alec Guinness.

So really, I don't see the change in that edition as being particularly terrible providing you've seen the prequels. If you haven't, it's just fucking stupid.

Oh and I forgot to mention - the Ewoks didn't bother me as much as they used to. The light comic relief they bring actually isn't too distracting. Lucas originally planned for it to be Wookies rather than Ewoks which would have been miles better but I enjoyed Episode VI far more than usual. Probably because I had to watch the inferior II and III just before it.
 
The Ewoks ruin Ep 6 for me.
 
The Ewoks ruin Ep 6 for me.

I don't see them as being any worse than the Jawas in IV. The lighter tones they bring at the halfway point of the film isn't unwelcome either. So I don't mind them. Still would have been better to have had Wookies instead mind you.
 
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