The 2015/2016 Summer Improvement Thread

[Tony Towner]

I really don't think any stick Van La Parra gets (some of which is unjustified) is because he isn't English. As for Paterson Lincs sums up my thoughts.

 

[Lycan]

If he was Ryan Vance from Rowley Regis instead of Rajiv van La Parra from Rotterdam we'd be raving about him.

 

[Alan]

I really don't think any stick Van La Parra gets (some of which is unjustified) is because he isn't English. As for Paterson Lincs sums up my thoughts.

Classic in-group vs. out-group stuff, really. Not exactly vicious but worth being aware of.

 

[Tony Towner]

Dicko, Sako are/were extremely popular and are French/Malian. Leon Clarke is from Wolverhampton and is despised. I agree that if he was local (I know you are drawing Danny Batth comparisons) he would get more slack, but don't believe being Dutch gets any more stick than if he were a Geordie/Scouser etc. Be interested to see what others think as the two posters above are none English residents, so have a different perspective to me.

 

[Alan]

Dicko is/was a resounding success and Sako had some major detractors during his first year here, tbf.

 

[Lycan]

Dicko, Sako are/were extremely popular and are French/Malian. Leon Clarke is from Wolverhampton and is despised. I agree that if he was local (I know you are drawing Danny Batth comparisons) he would get more slack, but don't believe being Dutch gets any more stick than if he were a Geordie/Scouser etc. Be interested to see them what others think as the two posters above are none English residents, so have a different perspective to me.

IMO Sako and Dicko are protected from some (not all) of it because they're both hard as nails and clearly nice guys whereas van La Parra is easily unsettled by any physical challenges and is generally a quieter personality on and off the pitch (they're also both just better footballers which helps a lot). Leon Clarke is just shit.

 

[Tony Towner]

Dicko is/was a resounding success and Sako had some major detractors during his first year here, tbf.

I'm not suggesting Wolves fans can't be twats, just that I'm not convinced Nationality comes into it.

 

[Alan]

I'm not suggesting Wolves fans can't be $#@!s, just that I'm not convinced Nationality comes into it.

Not consciously, at least.

 

[Johnny75]

Not consciously, at least.

Any chance you can turn this shit in.

 

[Alan]

Any chance you can turn this $#@! in.

A lot of bias works on a subconscious level. This is not really disputed.

 

[Johnny75]

A lot of bias works on a subconscious level. This is not really disputed.

It's a transfer thread Alan not a 'Does racism exist' thread. You've done this before too.

 

[Alan]

I'm not the one who even brought the subject up. I'm contributing to a pre-existing conversation.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Any chance you can turn this shit in.

+1000

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I'm not the one who even brought the subject up. I'm contributing to a pre-existing conversation.

Can't argue with that, someone directly asked for your 'foreigner' view.

 

[YoungWolf]

Fucking hell, any chance to leap at Alan eh.

 

[Johnny75]

$#@!ing hell, any chance to leap at Alan eh.

It's more the fact this is a thread on transfers not race.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Dicko is/was a resounding success and Sako had some major detractors during his first year here, tbf.

I never picked up on Sako getting any stick, in fact I always felt he was the only thing to emerge from that season with any any semblance of credit. VLP has all the tools but seems too hesitant hopefully it's something he can eliminate with time. I do see what Lycan says, we do cream ourselves over any new English/British talent, not just Wolves fans either but in reality for every Keane there is a Proudlock, Clarke and Winnall.

 

[Alan]

It's more the fact this is a thread on transfers not race.

Take it up with those who introduced the topic, then.

 

[Alan]

I never picked up on Sako getting any stick, in fact I always felt he was the only thing to emerge from that season with any any semblance of credit. VLP has all the tools but seems too hesitant hopefully it's something he can eliminate with time. I do see what Lycan says, we do cream ourselves over any new English/British talent, not just Wolves fans either but in reality for every Keane there is a Proudlock, Clarke and Winnall.

Of course, he general sentiment toward him was never outright negativity. But there was a lot of talk of his poor defending and even some saying that we were a better team without him.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Jeez is this summer going to be void of real thought! come on guys, talk proper.