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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

NicholasG1973 said:
We’ve been finding out for years.

He’s not.
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The last time he had anything more than a cameo appearance was when we had a manager with tactics that managed to make Vitinha, Moutinho, Semedo, Podence and even Neves at times look distinctly mediocre.

I would like to see how he does given a run in a Bruno side - remember: People were writing off Kilman at the end of the season.
 
Puig played and scored for Barcelona last night. Barca fans still seem pretty divided in on him though from what I can see, clearly talented but easily bullied off the ball and too cautious with his passing apparently.
 
I keep seeing fans talk about changing to 4 at the back.

I'm not as willing to change to 4231 or any version of 4 at the back as some, we have built a bit of an ethos with 3 at the back, it suits Coady, our talisman, our leader, it suits Kilman who has improved no end playing it, it suits our wing backs, RAN is growing every game, Jonny one of our best players is excellent in the wingback role, Neto's output is good with 3 at the back, look at Neves too, getting better and better, and it is how many of our players have "grown" with the club.

It's also brought us some pretty substantial (for a club like us) success.

Why do we need to change it? Especially if it means vitally important players like Coady are less involved and that many of our players would have to adapt to a system that they aren't used to? It also means that we would have to sign numerous players for the new system, rather than improving on one or two in the current one, and I'm not sure Fosun have the appetite for that?

In summary i would rather we try and improve the players (and depth) for 3 at the back and improve the tactical mentality for it, than have to tear everything up with 4, which would clearly be a big risk.

And for what? Absolutely no guarantee of success at all.
 
It’s about the mentality and style of play rather than the formation. Get Neves higher up the pitch, wing backs and forwards attacking the box and giving options. Too often the formation looks too defensive and the forwards isolate themselves.
 
Carrotdude said:
It’s about the mentality and style of play rather than the formation. Get Neves higher up the pitch, wing backs and forwards attacking the box and giving options. Too often the formation looks too defensive and the forwards isolate themselves.
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I agree, that's what needs to adapt, and what Nuno failed with as well. But look at our points haul with it again this season? Only Liverpool have more points that us in 2022 as well, it's not broken, so it doesn't need fixing, just a little bit of TLC to make it more adaptable and certainly shouldn't changed to suit MGW. MGW should change to suit it.
 
There is the mentality argument in whatever formation, but I don't believe we have the wing backs to maximise 3 at the back offensively. That's the fundamental issue for me and that will always hold us back. Between the 5 that have played there this season there have been 0 goals and 7 assists - Marcal has 2. Of RAN's 4, one was a corner, one a pass from his own half on a break, one an OG and one a penalty. At least 2 of those could have happened if he was playing full back.

That's not acceptable and I don't think will improve with the players involved. None of which is meant as a slight, but for me they are all full backs trying to do a job there and could still overlap in a 4, whilst getting an additional attacking player on the pitch. I agree you don't create a formation to suit MGW, but you shouldn't do that for any player - Coady included.
 
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I think you are being a bit unfair to Jonny there, who was involved in the the own goal (as was RAN obviously) and i'm sure will have good goal involvement stats if he stays RWB.

I think RAN's stats will improve and improve with games too. Those 2 are superb wingbacks.

I think we will lose solidity if we go to a 4, and of course leadership if it's Coady who is dropped. The latter isn't tangible, especially to fans, but it's absolutely vital.
 
Organisation definitely is tangible. Look at Danny Batth, put him next to Sam Ricketts or Mike Williamson so all he has to do is listen to them and defend, he looked alright. Get him to be the main man and coax a junior partner through a game, he looked like a jelly.

We don't have any kind of sample size without Coady to know if any of our other CHs could step up in that respect (on a purely superficial level, Kilman isn't very vocal), I'm not sure I really want to find out.
 
Many think Boly and Kilman would be the duo in a 4, and i'm inclined to agree, but like you say neither seem to be vocal at all.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
I think you are being a bit unfair to Jonny there, who was involved in the the own goal (as was RAN obviously) and i'm sure will have good goal involvement stats if he stays RWB.

I think RAN's stats will improve and improve with games too. Those 2 are superb wingbacks.

I think we will lose solidity if we go to a 4, and of course leadership if it's Coady who is dropped. The latter isn't tangible, especially to fans, but it's absolutely vital.
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Jonny does a decent job at wing back, because he's a bloody good player, but beating a man or running beyond the back line isn't going to be his game He has 3 assists and 3 goals in about 70 league appearances for us. With Doherty on the other side then that's what we needed, but - and I don't want to reopen that can of worms again, we've not replaced his attacking output

As for Coady, I'd give him the chance to prove he can play in a 4 before replacing him. A year ago I'd have said no chance, but this season he's engaged attackers a lot more and plays more like a 3rd centre half than a sweeper. I'm still not convinced, but he deserves the chance
 
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