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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

I think this 5 subs thing is massively overestimated. Liverpool and city often didn't even make 3 subs last year.
 
Tredman said:
Attention seeker..
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Yep, this mook has suggested a Nigerian big lad that even Lorient fans think is a bit shit, Evanlison, a world class striker who Utd bid €60m for last season and got rejected and now Cunha, another Brazilian who plays for Atleti and is the target of clubs who have bid €70m+

I wish all these kids would fuck off.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Cup games, the 5 subs rule, if we are actually winning games he can get minutes that way.

He'd be the emergency cover.

There's no guarantee that he'd develop any better on loan somewhere either.
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How many times are we going to be winning 3-0? You wouldn’t be bringing players you don’t think are good enough on at 2-0 (as seen by the fact we never do it) as 1 goal and it’s squeaky bum time.

Then even in the ideal scenario he’s playing 10 mins max. They need to be playing week in week out. See MGW for details.

There’s also not that many games between September and the January transfer window.
 
Johnny75 said:
Yep, this mook has suggested a Nigerian big lad that even Lorient fans think is a bit shit, Evanlison, a world class striker who Utd bid €60m for last season and got rejected and now Cunha, another Brazilian who plays for Atleti and is the target of clubs who have bid €70m+

I wish all these kids would fuck off.
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As I suspected, by sheer coincidence looks like he has some info as it falls into place with a tiny. tiny bit of the Nunes deal, but can't be proved either way. Now appears to be playing the Pied Piper.

Ignore.
 
Even if that twitter idiot is right, I can't imagine it would be that hard to figure out who is giving him the information. I can't imagine the club would be happy with that information being leaked
 
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Tredman said:
That’s a bloody awful word to use.
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It is, I have to admit it was used often (including by me) when I was kid to describe anyone who was perceived to be thick. But I was only 10-12 at the time and it was 50 years ago. Was hoping we'd moved on.
 
The central midfield debate is interesting because it can be compared to how we set up last season with three at the back and with 5 recognised CBs (Coady, Kilman, Boly, Saiss, Mosquera).

Given the season long injury to Mosquera, Boly's injuries and form woes, Saiss at AFCON and form dip, we were fortunate with Kilman's continued improvement and being able to recall Toti and him looking good. That's using 6 when we really should have upgraded in that position last summer too.

So is it really too much to suggest having 5 players in the central midfield that they should be prepared to play? Really the only difference between the comparisons is a midfield three isn't locked in, Lage looks likely to swap between 4231/433 regularly. But you dont know know what the season will have in store, which our CBs last season is case in point and teams need to be prepared

Heck, going into season right now with only 1 striker who's injured is pure negligence from the football department. Our squads have been so lopsided last few years. We also had 5 full backs last season compared to 3 now, two of whom are injury risk. So was it ok to have Marçal and Hoever in first team squad last year, but not anyone else to cover coming into this one?

I think making the claim calling a 24/25 players squad as "bloated" is wrong. That's about the players needed imo, you shouldnt need more and what can/does happen is using youth players or versatile backups too which is fine (like Donck early on was both DM/CB). They have to be decent level though and the coach/manager is prepared to play.

So the likes of Chesser/Bueno/Cundle in their respective positions probably don't cut it. Someone they can bring in on a decent deal as squadie that's at Dendoncker or Marçal level? That's fine and what you assume why a team has a scouting network for, to find those sorts of players suitable for the club's current level.

Priorities should be a back up striker who's pushing PL level to challenge Raul or replace him whilst fit. Then fullback cover because it's inevitable 2/3 of RAN/Jonny/Semedo are going to be unavailable at same time then who covers and if Cundle does go on loan, a backup between Dendoncker and Ronan level would be handy.

That was rather long, sorry, will go back to lurking.
 
C.L.D said:
The central midfield debate is interesting because it can be compared to how we set up last season with three at the back and with 5 recognised CBs (Coady, Kilman, Boly, Saiss, Mosquera).

Given the season long injury to Mosquera, Boly's injuries and form woes, Saiss at AFCON and form dip, we were fortunate with Kilman's continued improvement and being able to recall Toti and him looking good. That's using 6 when we really should have upgraded in that position last summer too.

So is it really too much to suggest having 5 players in the central midfield that they should be prepared to play? Really the only difference between the comparisons is a midfield three isn't locked in, Lage looks likely to swap between 4231/433 regularly. But you dont know know what the season will have in store, which our CBs last season is case in point and teams need to be prepared

Heck, going into season right now with only 1 striker who's injured is pure negligence from the football department. Our squads have been so lopsided last few years. We also had 5 full backs last season compared to 3 now, two of whom are injury risk. So was it ok to have Marçal and Hoever in first team squad last year, but not anyone else to cover coming into this one?

I think making the claim calling a 24/25 players squad as "bloated" is wrong. That's about the players needed imo, you shouldnt need more and what can/does happen is using youth players or versatile backups too which is fine (like Donck early on was both DM/CB). They have to be decent level though and the coach/manager is prepared to play.

So the likes of Chesser/Bueno/Cundle in their respective positions probably don't cut it. Someone they can bring in on a decent deal as squadie that's at Dendoncker or Marçal level? That's fine and what you assume why a team has a scouting network for, to find those sorts of players suitable for the club's current level.

Priorities should be a back up striker who's pushing PL level to challenge Raul or replace him whilst fit. Then fullback cover because it's inevitable 2/3 of RAN/Jonny/Semedo are going to be unavailable at same time then who covers and if Cundle does go on loan, a backup between Dendoncker and Ronan level would be handy.

That was rather long, sorry, will go back to lurking.
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Man city have a squad of 19 and they won the league but we need 24. Make it make sense
 
As much as i agree with the general point @C.L.D , the issue is it’s just not realistic to have 25 good players.

Liverpool have that, but they are one of the best teams in the country and will play 50% more games than us. That 25 contains a lot of highly rated youngsters as well.

They still have no cover for TAA. Them playing Gomez there would be a bigger drop off than us using Jonny as a back up FB or even playing Toti LB. They’d be losing a fundamental part of their team. They aren’t exactly stacked with depth anywhere apart from CB, and this is miles better than they were two years ago

Back on Wolves, the CB argument isn’t the same. Mosquera was no real option (even if he wasn’t injured) same as Cundle and Ronan aren’t. Toti was only used because a player went on international duty, so we only really needed 4. That contained a player who has spent large parts of his time here injured. Whereas in midfield the availability from those players is high.

Your WB argument isn’t the same either, as we were aware of Jonny’s injury situation before the window closed and planned accordingly. And Hoever was a complete waste of time. So we only really needed 3. Id rather be playing Toti LB than Marcal too.

In an ideal world we have 2 players for every position. It’s just not realistic when we still need to spend a massive sum on a striker.

There’s also only 13 games between august and the January window (with a month gap for injury recovery). So the chances of having 2 or 3 long term injuries in the same position at the start of that spell would be very unlucky.
 
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I'm another that thinks we need another in midfield if we are playing 3 which isn't a kid like Cundle or a scrub like Ronan. One needs a loan and the other a fresh start. Forest have signed Kouyate, someone like that would be OK. You hope he never starts, he won't expect to, but if you need a couple of games from him, he'll be semi competent.

If you look at Palace, who play the same formation we are likely to (assuming 5 at the back was just for Liverpool) then they have 7. I don't rate most of them tbh, but if we got to the stage of needing the 5th man I'd rather have a Will Hughes than a Joe Hodge. Villa have 6
 
Perhaps an additional versatile player who could cover both CM and FB would make sense. A Marcel type signing. What’s Phil Neville up to these days?
 
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