Summer 2021 transfer window

[AndyWolves]

If a Premier League club can't attack because one player is injured then something's wrong somewhere. It's not like we've just been promoted.

The lesson is don't just have one striker in your deck...but, regardless, we still have plenty of creative/attacking talent in Neto, Podence, Traore, Neves, Moutinho, maybe the wing-backs and Vitinha too? Yet we've been passive and conservative for a good part of this season.

We need better players at CB rather than having to rely on fielding six or seven defensive-minded players while we hope for one of the wide forwards to score a worldie at the other end

Solving the last paragraph gives you a better chance of mitigating the first because you can exploit the things in the second paragraph more.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

The lack of goals conceded is due more to the defensive way we play rather than the calibre of our central defenders. We all know that to be more attack-minded we need to sacrifice a defender but we cannot do that with the defenders we currently have. Kilman, Saiss, Coady and even Donk, can "do a job" in a back 5 but not one of them is good enough to play in the PL run a 4. Saiss would be cover at a push but if we are serious about going to a back 4 we really need to bring in two centre halves, especially as Boly is becoming rather injury prone.

 

[prawnking]

I think one quality CH is fine for now (and more realistic) tbh, I also am not writing Coady off as a decent option in a 4 until I've seen more of him with Jonny and Boly in there

 

[Tony Towner]

I think one quality CH is fine for now (and more realistic) tbh, I also am not writing Coady off as a decent option in a 4 until I've seen more of him with Jonny and Boly in there

Can't head, can't tackle (like a centre half), easily out muscled, doesn't have an instinct for danger and drops too deep. What more do you need to see?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Can't head, can't tackle (like a centre half), easily out muscled, doesn't have an instinct for danger and drops too deep. What more do you need to see?

And really slow. Otherwise he’s fine!

 

[prawnking]

Can't head, can't tackle (like a centre half), easily out muscled, doesn't have an instinct for danger and drops too deep. What more do you need to see?

I agree with the out-muscling issue, but saying he can't head or tackle is well OTT.

I'm not nailing my colours to his mast, but I'm not just going to jettison notions of our club captain playing a part for us in that role. He may surprise us yet.

I like to actually see people play before writing them off or lauding them. He deserves a shot?

 

[AndyWolves]

If we are switching to a back 4 I'd imagine Coady becomes surplus to requirements. We could probably get some decent wedge for him.

 

[Tony Towner]

I agree with the out-muscling issue, but saying he can't head or tackle is well OTT.

I'm not nailing my colours to his mast, but I'm not just going to jettison notions of our club captain playing a part for us in that role. He may surprise us yet.

I like to actually see people play before writing them off or lauding them.

It's not OTT, note my comment like a centre half. He doesn't attack the ball with his head, he invariably heads it up rather than away. Saiss does the same. His starting position tackling is too straight on more like a midfielder which is why he gets beat quite easily or leg dangles, knowing that is why he compensates by going too deep. None of those have anything to do with who the other centre half and left back are and nor are either of the ones you named natural organisers who can sort it

 

[Tredman]

If you watch pretty much any Wolves video, read any interview with any player (including England too) you read about how important Coady is - it’s too soon to be writing him off, he’s worth more to the team and squad than simply another CD.

 

[Tony Towner]

If you watch pretty much any Wolves video, read any interview with any player (including England too) you read about how important Coady is - it’s too soon to be writing him off, he’s worth more to the team and squad than simply another CD.

I agree with all of that in principle, but then you are picking a player who is going to hold us back on the pitch. Either because you are playing a formation to accommodate him, or fitting him into one he doesn't suit.

I'm conscious it comes across as unappreciative of the job he's done, which i don't wish to be, just not sentimental either

 

[AndyWolves]

If you watch pretty much any Wolves video, read any interview with any player (including England too) you read about how important Coady is - it’s too soon to be writing him off, he’s worth more to the team and squad than simply another CD.

Where do you play him though?

 

[PuntsWolf]

I agree with the out-muscling issue, but saying he can't head or tackle is well OTT.

I'm not nailing my colours to his mast, but I'm not just going to jettison notions of our club captain playing a part for us in that role. He may surprise us yet.

I like to actually see people play before writing them off or lauding them. He deserves a shot?

You mention that you want us to sign “ready made” players to come in and push into the top 6 but then think Conor Coady is going to suddenly develop into a player who can do that?

He’s not awful at any of those things but he also doesn’t have any strengths. Tyrone Mings constantly stands in the wrong place but he’s massive and fast. John Terry was slow as anything but stood in the right place, was strong and good in the air.

Coady is as slow as Terry, distinctly average in the air, not strong and poor 1 v 1.

 

[prawnking]

You mention that you want us to sign “ready made” players to come in and push into the top 6 but then think Conor Coady is going to suddenly develop into a player who can do that?

I haven't mentioned top 6, getting back to the top 8 is enough for me after this season!

I said I'd like to see Coady in that role more before I write him off. It's cool if most of you already feel you know his time of playing a part is over, but people also thought Doc and Bennett wouldn't cut it in the PL, and they both played an important role. You can name all the attributes you like, that's not all that makes a player. Coady could yet continue to surprise everyone for a little longer during this evolution.

If we're just jettisoning players due to perceived weaknesses then we're talking revolution and there's a big out tray coming this summer

 

[prawnking]

I'm conscious it comes across as unappreciative of the job he's done, which i don't wish to be

Yeah it does come across like that.

BTW if we expect to see two quality CHs coming in in one summer when the only one we've signed under Fosun was Boly then I think it's stretching it a bit

 

[Tredman]

Where do you play him though?

As a sweeper. I think I’ve been fairly consistent about preferring 3-4-3. A replacement for Moutinho, Raul back and a new RCB and im happy.

 

[Tony Towner]

Yeah it does come across like that.

BTW if we expect to see two quality CHs coming in in one summer when the only one we've signed under Fosun was Boly then I think it's stretching it a bit

Nice selective quoting. I don't expect 2 CH's, I also expect Coady to still be at the club, just not first choice when everyone is fit if the presumption is a back 4. In a 3 he still starts and deservedly so, I just believe we need to evolve away from that to fix our issues at the other end of the pitch

 

[AndyWolves]

As a sweeper. I think I’ve been fairly consistent about preferring 3-4-3. A replacement for Moutinho, Raul back and a new RCB and im happy.

Furry muff, I'm not massively opposed to 3-4-3 fwiw. I'd be happy with that recruitment too.

 

[Tredman]

the presumption is a back 4

Why? It’s not as though a back 4 was some master plan, it was a knee jerk reaction to Coady being out. It was hardly successful, you could arguably say it was an utter disaster.

 

[prawnking]

Nice selective quoting. I don't expect 2 CH's, I also expect Coady to still be at the club, just not first choice when everyone is fit if the presumption is a back 4

If we're onto selectiveness then I haven't said he'll be first choice either.

That would be new CB and Boly, I was initially disagreeing with Wilf on the point of needing two CBs in the summer. We won't get two and we don't need two, for now

 

[Tony Towner]

If we're onto selectiveness then I haven't said he'll be first choice either.

That would be new CB and Boly, I was initially disagreeing with Wilf on the point of needing two CBs in the summer. We won't get two and we don't need two, for now

I didn't suggest you did. I questioned your belief he could be a decent option in a 4. Anyway bickering is a dull read, so that's my last post on the matter