Summer 2021 transfer window

[AndyWolves]

I get that eSports is a massive industry and getting bigger but it is a very crowded market.

As we speak Wolves eSports account on Twitter has 12,000 followers which is very small fry. This means that the eSports arm itself needs a hell of a lot of investment into the eSports part of "the brand" to grow to a point where it has any kind of significant platform to make it generate any decent amount of money and make it attractive to sponsors.

Surely with that in mind anything it generates and possibly more will need to be spent on itself for the foreseeable future. I think we are a long long way off any revenue generated by eSports benefiting the team.

You've just answered your own question re: the link up with EvilGenius and why we've done it

 

[AndyWolves]

Also, another cold, hard fact is that knowing Fosun are about brand, reputation and exposure.

What's more likely to generate that, £20m on a CB or £20m invested into an eSports team along with content creators, twitch streams etc

 

[Deano]

Also, another cold, hard fact is that knowing Fosun are about brand, reputation and exposure.

What's more likely to generate that, £20m on a CB or £20m invested into an eSports team along with content creators, twitch streams etc

Well it would probably be better to sign a CB as nobody will give a shit about Wolves eSports if Wolves are in the Championship. I think their thinking is wrong personally. I've said it before, I have no problem with us growing the brand we need to do it but it should happen organically alongside a successful football team not at the expense of it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Well if we got relegated* because we didn't have any decent defenders, I know which would impact on the value of the club more.



*Not saying we will before anyone starts.

 

[AndyWolves]

Well it would probably be better to sign a CB as nobody will give a shit about Wolves eSports if Wolves are in the Championship. I think they're thinking is wrong personally. I've said it before, I have no problem with us growing the brand we need to do it but it should happen organically alongside a successful football team not at the expense of it.

To play devils advocate, if the eSports thing takes off then I don't think that demographic would necessarily give two shits about what division the football team is in.

 

[AndyWolves]

This is PSGs eSports teams prize money and where it came from. Obviously the prize money is low compared to football but look where the majority comes from. It's a growing market which will grow each year

Paris Saint-Germain Esports - Esports Team Summary :: Esports Earnings

Information on Paris Saint-Germain Esports rosters, squads, team results and player earnings. $19,734,315.30 from 178 tournaments.

www.esportsearnings.com

This is EvilGenius profile, so we've now got our brand out in the US too

Evil Geniuses - Esports Team Summary :: Esports Earnings

Information on Evil Geniuses rosters, squads, team results and player earnings. $28,567,423.99 from 1019 tournaments.

www.esportsearnings.com

 

[Deano]

To play devils advocate, if the eSports thing takes off then I don't think that demographic would necessarily give two shits about what division the football team is in.

If it ever gets to that stage, I will be finished with the club. Luckily it won't.

 

[Tony Towner]

That statement definitely looks definitive, then other points seem to contradict it.

I don't know, as said it'd be good if a journalist would put his cock and the block and find out for sure.

The statement is definitive, we needed to break even across the 3 years, which we will do with ease even with covid. We made a comfortable profit in year 1, only lost money in year 2 because the tv money was delayed. It's a red herring which Jeff is hiding behind to explain whatever the real reason for not spending is

Financial Fair Play: Wolves punished by Uefa after overspending - BBC Sport

Wolves will only be allowed to register 23 players if they qualify for the Champions League next season, after they fail to meet Uefa's Financial Fair Play target.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Paul]

You've opened a can of worms now.

"Let them eat cake" wasn't the bourgeoisie failing to grasp the plight of the masses

It was a myth mate

 

[WolfMan]

The statement is definitive, we needed to break even across the 3 years, which we will do with ease even with a covid. We made a comfortable profit in year 1, only lost money in year 2 because the tv money was delayed. It's a red herring which Jeff is hiding behind to explain whatever the real reason for not spending is

Do you mean not spending this year mate?

 

[Tony Towner]

Do you mean not spending this year mate?

Yep, in his chat with Johnny Phillips Jeff said that our transfer activity will be predicated by the need to comply with UEFA FFP, I'm saying that those who have investigated it have said that we are comfortably clear even with sensible spend this Summer, unless of course there is a nasty lurking in the accounts which nobody knows about.

In the one breath our matchday revenue isn't enough so prices have to go up to maximise it, on the other the loss of the same matchday revenue is a barrier to transfers due to UEFA FFP. It doesn't add up, so either we will be spending over the next month and Jeff is pleading poverty to drive prices down or he's using FFP as a smokescreen

 

[AndyWolves]

If it ever gets to that stage, I will be finished with the club. Luckily it won't.

I won't, regardless of whatever else wolves do I will always follow the football team.

I'm actually quite excited by this, it seems a really different way of trying to finance a football team that will be sustainable should Fosun pull the plug. Any other way is hoping that a sugar daddy takes a fancy to you

 

[AndyWolves]

Yep, in his chat with Johnny Phillips Jeff said that our transfer activity will be predicated by the need to comply with UEFA FFP, I'm saying that those who have investigated it have said that we are comfortably clear even with sensible spend this Summer, unless of course there is a nasty lurking in the accounts which nobody knows about.

In the one breath our matchday revenue isn't enough so prices have to go up to maximise it, on the other the loss of the same matchday revenue is a barrier to transfers due to UEFA FFP. It doesn't add up, so either we will be spending over the next month and Jeff is pleading poverty to drive prices down or he's using FFP as a smokescreen

"In addition, Wolves have agreed to report "a maximum break-even deficit of €30m (£27.1m) in the financial year ending in 2020 and to finally reach, in the 2021/22 season, an aggregate break-even result for the financial years ending in 2019, 2020 and 2021".

We need to break even the end of this season right?

£20m profit in 2019
£40m loss in 2020
£20m profit required in 2021
therefore breakeven in 2022

Is that roughly what we need to do?

 

[Freddeno]

Didn´t Man City break the FFP rules and nothing happened?

 

[WolfMan]

Yep, in his chat with Johnny Phillips Jeff said that our transfer activity will be predicated by the need to comply with UEFA FFP, I'm saying that those who have investigated it have said that we are comfortably clear even with sensible spend this Summer, unless of course there is a nasty lurking in the accounts which nobody knows about.

In the one breath our matchday revenue isn't enough so prices have to go up to maximise it, on the other the loss of the same matchday revenue is a barrier to transfers due to UEFA FFP. It doesn't add up, so either we will be spending over the next month and Jeff is pleading poverty to drive prices down or he's using FFP as a smokescreen

It'll be fascinating to see which it is, I've got a feeling it's the latter but maybe that's just me being overly optimistic.

How much would you deem to be an acceptable spend from here till the transfer window shuts? I reckon we'll spend another 40-50 million. If we do I'll be happy with that, in terms of Fosun showing they are still commited.

 

[Kenny]

Didn´t Man City break the FFP rules and nothing happened?

Had a few sanctions and got the biggy a few years back with a ban.....but they hired every lawyer in the World had it overturned in Court

 

[Freddeno]

Had a few sanctions and got the biggy a few years back with a ban.....but they hired every lawyer in the World had it overturned in Court

haha ok

 

[Tony Towner]

It'll be fascinating to see which it is, I've got a feeling it's the latter but maybe that's just me being overly optimistic.

How much would you deem to be an acceptable spend from here till the transfer window shuts? I reckon we'll spend another 40-50 million. If we do I'll be happy with that, in terms of Fosun showing they are still commited.

I wouldn't say a certain figure is acceptable it's about giving the manager the tools to do his job. I feel we are 3 players short before departures with a CM and CH being absolute necessities. They can be well scouted bargains or £20m+ each, but we need them

 

[Del Woppio]

There isn't going to be any meaningful monetisation of esports or Mexican fans for fucks sake. People are mugging themselves off completely if they think that those markets are going to make any material commercial impact.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Gotta love the eSports stuff... "appealing to younger demographics" while simultaneously increasing U21 season ticket prices by - realistically - a minimum of 63% in just four years (£249 for 18/19 to £407 for 2022/23)