Summer 2021 transfer window

[Deano]

They should have been lining up to ask this after the Q&A stuff with JP.

If they can't get an in with the club, then do an opinion piece. May get it horribly wrong but it may make the club come out and correct things.

This is one of the problems with Spiers.

Take the article he put out this morning - we basically didn't learn anything - we already knew from other reports that Otasowie isn't signing a new deal and with it expiring at the end of the season it's obvious he will leave, it's also been obvious for a while that we will sell Mir and try to sell (probably loan out) Cutrone. He is hedging his bets with Saiss as if he doesn't agree a new deal with the club then again it's obvious that he will probably leave.

He has said we are not actively looking to sell Traore or Neves but will do if we get a bid we feel we can't refuse. Basically whatever happens he can spin it to make it look like it was right all along.

Instead of these pieces that are full of bluster and give us nothing new he could do something interesting like the above.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

This is one of the problems with Spiers.

Take the article he put out this morning - we basically didn't learn anything - we already knew from other reports that Otasowie isn't signing a new deal and with it expiring at the end of the season it's obvious he will leave, it's also been obvious for a while that we will sell Mir and try to sell (probably loan out) Cutrone. He is hedging his bets with Saiss as if he doesn't agree a new deal with the club then again it's obvious that he will probably leave.

He has said we are not actively looking to sell Traore or Neves but will do if we get a bid we feel we can't refuse. Basically whatever happens he can spin it to make it look like it was right all along.

Instead of these pieces that are full of bluster and give us nothing new he could do something interesting like the above.

He's never understood the financial elements properly. Not likely to learn now either.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Considering that Spiers was dead certain we were going to be selling the family silver not so long ago, I'll wait and see on that one.

Another article setting out that we have to sell to buy, without going into the most important question of the lot- why?

I asked Tim why we have to sell to buy

 

[Deano]

He's never understood the financial elements properly. Not likely to learn now either.

One of the things he said he was looking forward to in his role with The Athletic was that he wouldn't have to produce as much content but he could do fewer more focused articles. He might not understand the financial elements but he could take the time to look into it or try to get some comment on it from someone within the club or even an external expert on football finances.

It would make much more interesting reading than some of these filler articles.

 

[Throbber3]

Establish Wolves in Premier League

Maintain net zero finances

Establish global network of Wolves branded clubs

Buy talent Develop in network Play in Premiership Sell player (200% ROI) 25% pure profit to Fosun Group

Fosun are an investment group. Wolves are an investment. None of this should be particularly shocking to anyone.

Yep.

 

[WolfMan]

The articles where he just goes through every instance of something happening, with pictures, I find incredibly dull. They must take him ages as well.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

This is from our FFP agreement, to me, it looks like we're still under the conditions of the agreement

That statement definitely looks definitive, then other points seem to contradict it.

I don't know, as said it'd be good if a journalist would put his cock and the block and find out for sure.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I see Spiers has said Traore has 2 years left on his contract, i thought he had 1 left. That is a welcome surprise.

OO(!) also has 2 years left rather than 1.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I see Spiers has said Traore has 2 years left on his contract, i thought he had 1 left. That is a welcome surprise.

OO(!) also has 2 years left rather than 1.

Yes it's 2023 for Adama, signed a five year deal when we bought him. It's not the timebomb people make it out to be.

 

[lemonjelly]

Whats the point of having cake then?

apparently the history/meaning of the saying relates to wanting to eat the cake, but also still keep it, ie to have the best of both worlds, or simple greed. This has been shortened over time to "you want to have your cake AND eat it" but the understanding of it has been lost.

Of course I am writing this having just seen your comment, so it is possible someone else has mentioned this in the following 4 pages, and I'll read that shortly and look a right nob again, but that's not new...

 

[Throbber3]

I see Spiers has said Traore has 2 years left on his contract, i thought he had 1 left. That is a welcome surprise.

OO(!) also has 2 years left rather than 1.

30th June 2023 for Adama so no worries for two seasons.
I have Otasowie as June 2022?

 

[Kenny]

We seem to have an option for an extra year with OOwen that is in our favour (as in we decide whether to activate it or not)

 

[Deano]

Yes it's 2023 for Adama, signed a five year deal when we bought him. It's not the timebomb people make it out to be.

It kind of is as we either need him to sign a new deal this summer or sell him as if it gets to next summer we probably won't even get half of what he's worth.

 

[Throbber3]

It kind of is as we either need him to sign a new deal this summer or sell him as if it gets to next summer we probably won't even get half of what he's worth.

I am not too concerned about that. If he has a great season and we finish four or five places higher than last season it will offset what we would lose by him going in the last year of his contract. Fosun paid 18m(?) for him. I would be surprised if they didn't get that back , even next summer with a year to go. Otasowie is neither here nor there. If he is a Bit of a Sulk and Lage is not keen then he will go , no biggy. If we keep Neves , that will be excellent business. If clubs want either him or Traore we still can charge a premium of 40m plus. Personally , I would like to see Traore and Neves play the first three games and see how we look. We took a point of Leicester and Spurs last year and zero off United. So if we manage 3 points or more in August , surely that's progress, especially if we look half decent in the attacking third?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It kind of is as we either need him to sign a new deal this summer or sell him as if it gets to next summer we probably won't even get half of what he's worth.

We have all season to sort that out though, irrelevant whether he signs it now, in November or in April.

 

[AndyWolves]

apparently the history/meaning of the saying relates to wanting to eat the cake, but also still keep it, ie to have the best of both worlds, or simple greed. This has been shortened over time to "you want to have your cake AND eat it" but the understanding of it has been lost.

Of course I am writing this having just seen your comment, so it is possible someone else has mentioned this in the following 4 pages, and I'll read that shortly and look a right nob again, but that's not new...

You've opened a can of worms now.

"Let them eat cake" wasn't the bourgeoisie failing to grasp the plight of the masses

 

[Kenny]

You've opened a can of worms now.

You'd better eat them or more frigging food waste

 

[Deano]

We have all season to sort that out though, irrelevant whether he signs it now, in November or in April.

Problem is though if he doesn't sign before the Summer window closes his value is less come January. If he doesn't sign by the end of the season, less again by the following summer. His value is going to depreciate all the time the situation isn't resolved. I think he will go this Summer.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

His value is only ever what someone else will pay...and I don't think that sum will match up to what we would want (not so much for him specifically, but in terms of the amount we would want in the coffers to go out and improve other areas).

 

[big mean bunny]

Fosun are an investment group, but they have surely looked and seen that football is a mostly terrible way to make money, at least from player sales. As the expectation is that you always need to replace those players, huge income to wage turnover too.

The American owners at Utd/LFC were interested in the amount of fans and followers all over the world and felt that wasn't being targetted enough with tours and merchandise. The Fosun interest in Wolves is PR and Financial, but a conglomerate like them didn't get involved in Wolves, to put in the effort and time needed to make 25% on the Jota transfer to LFC.