Sheff Utd 2-1 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[PuntsWolf]

Fabio hasn’t really shown anything from day 1. I thought it was pretty obvious from the start and I’m not remotely a talent scout/analyst/whatever.

I was told that he just needed time to develop. 3 and a half years on he is still nowhere near and still lacks basics to succeed in this league.

It’s become tribal with him though. People convincing themselves (and trying to convince others) that he needs more time, there’s a good player in there etc. when there’s nothing to back that up. He’s obviously not terrible, he will have a career somewhere, probably on a par with someone like Willian Jose even if I think he’s probably got less ability (which isn’t good!)

 

[Alan]

Fwiw his actual footballing performance is pretty indefensible.

 

[Jolemai]

In case anyone wants to see the Bellegarde goal:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720845584691613925

 

[Jack Regan]

That only carries water if you believe they are not trying to make the correct decisions all the time. If they are influenced by criticism they are bent not incompetent, and sadly that view is becoming increasingly difficult to argue against.

Its human nature, creates a siege mentality for refs as much as it does for Wolves. There's a reason there are people who make a living giving talks on unconscious bias etc because it's a real thing. Folk are hardly likely to act in your favour if they believe your constantly accusing them of being incompetent.

It was an incredibly unprofessional thing from Hobbs to do and never going to help in the long term. I can understand heat of the moment from a player or manager but none of his business at that stage.

 

[Tony Towner]

That's fine, we're all entitled to our subjective opinion. But that's all it is.

For me, crying and getting all that attention as a result is a deflection by an immature personality. You'd think it was a goal that relegated us.

Just because an appraisal is harsh it doesn't mean its wrong

He is immature, that was really clear in the interview he did with LL a month or so ago. The kid is lost, as long as that's just a product of the situation I don't feel sorry for him he and particularly his dad have made an absolute fortune out of coming to Wolves. That doesn't stop his emotions being real though and him being in a dark place this evening.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720871689309900829

 

[Tony Towner]

Not defending it, but a lot of those don't appear to be Wolves fans or UK based ones

 

[jd1981]

Well crying at will isn’t easy even for the best of actors. I’ve no doubt his emotions were genuine and he feels like shit tonight. The incident is 25% bad judgment by him and 75% incompetence from the officials.

 

[slink]

Rubbish, that's not what you said at all

You mentioned Twitter in passing, it was all about the forum comments, which were a 'fucking outrageous' 'pile on' and 'disgusting'

Mary Whitehouse-style, moral posturing bollocks and nothing to do with mental health. No-one on here is DMing Fabio or calling him a useless cunt in the street.

It's a fucking forum, am I not allowed to say Brendan Fraser is shit in the new Scorsese film either in case he reads it and freaks out? Get to fuck

Allowed to say what you want same as i’m allowed to call out the comments. I mentioned twitter in the same sentence as the forum too. Whether they’re to Fabio or not. Some of the comments just don’t sit right with me aimed towards a 21 year old footballer.

Can’t be bothered to go round in circles but if you can’t see the issue with questioning a young lads distraught reaction and whether it’s genuine etc… Again criticism is fine, should he have cleared it, probably should have headed blah blah blah but I reiterate that some of the comments for me weren’t needed.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Well crying at will isn’t easy even for the best of actors. I’ve no doubt his emotions were genuine and he feels like shit tonight. The incident is 25% bad judgment by him and 75% incompetence from the officials.

Yeah i don't get the annoyance at him being upset, it'd be a lot worse if he looked like he didn't give a shit!

 

[jd1981]

To look at the whole 100 minutes objectively we should’ve been in a position where a last minute penalty was just a consolation. Clearly evident in the first half we were by far the better side and should’ve buried the game.
Always runs the risk of what happened second half.

 

[prawnking]

Allowed to say what you want same as i’m allowed to call out the comments. I mentioned twitter in the same sentence as the forum too. Whether they’re to Fabio or not. Some of the comments just don’t sit right with me aimed towards a 21 year old footballer.

Can’t be bothered to go round in circles but if you can’t see the issue with questioning a young lads distraught reaction and whether it’s genuine etc… Again criticism is fine, should he have cleared it, probably should have headed blah blah blah but I reiterate that some of the comments for me weren’t needed.

Do you think when Neymar cries for the cameras it's real too? Professional footballers...who famously never simulate anything for their own advantage

Couldn't give a monkey's about anyone's opinion on Fabio, but if you try and self-importantly equate him getting a slagging off on here with real-life insensitivity/ignorance of mental health issues, expect me to call you out

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Good words

 

[slink]

Do you think when Neymar cries for the cameras it's real too? Professional footballers...who famously never simulate anything for their own advantage

Couldn't give a monkey's about anyone's opinion on Fabio, but if you try and self-importantly equate him getting a slagging off on here with real-life insensitivity/ignorance of mental health issues, expect me to call you out

Yeah because negative comments towards someone’s reaction can’t affect other people’s thoughts, actions and how they think they may be perceived . Call me out all you like but if you don’t think that people see those sort of comments and then think that’s how people think when they see them cry then you’re very much mistaken.

Going too deep here maybe but that happens. The names are what they are, not great but it happens. Questioning someone’s motives with such an emotional reaction especially when you don’t know the kid and what that could potentially do to people seeing that is naive.

 

[prawnking]

So basically no celebrity can be criticised on the forum for anything, in case the specificity of the criticism triggers someone else.

Right-o

Can you close this thread please, Bear?

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Its human nature, creates a siege mentality for refs as much as it does for Wolves. There's a reason there are people who make a living giving talks on unconscious bias etc because it's a real thing. Folk are hardly likely to act in your favour if they believe your constantly accusing them of being incompetent.

It was an incredibly unprofessional thing from Hobbs to do and never going to help in the long term. I can understand heat of the moment from a player or manager but none of his business at that stage.

Alternatively drawing their attention to the incompetence that has gone before might make them think “I better not add to the shit show“, though there’s no evidence of that yet!

 

[slink]

So basically no celebrity can be criticised on the forum for anything, in case the specificity of the criticism triggers someone else.

Right-o

Can you close this thread please, Bear?

Not what i said is it when i’ve said i think criticism of his performance is fine. I said attributing him crying to attention seeking/being disingenuous isn’t a good look. You obviously don’t agree but as i said earlier I’m comfortable with my stance.

Why would Bear need to close the thread?

 

[prawnking]

So no footballers are calculating, simulate or attention seek?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So no footballers are calculating, simulate or attention seek.

Are you accusing Silva of this?

 

[Carsy]

Turned off after 85 mins as I had to go to firework display get soaked through, but probably more enjoyable than the 2 half display.

First half we were the better team without being great. Created a few openings but again don’t work the keeper except cunha when keeper tips over. Semedo baffles me, I know it’s not as simple as this, but someone who was Barcelona’s first choice right back, who had to do very little defending, you’d expect his to be decent going forward, or at least decisive. Shout man! RAN bit unlucky with one. No way he’s expecting it to arrive at him. Ironically if he isn’t there, simple tap in for Sasa. Felt Sasa was ok, just a very different forward to what we’ve had this season.

Second half - appalling. Sheffield United better team, upped their intensity and we just didn’t adapt. Disappointing to see after the last few games. Subs coming in and not impacting the game, some real dross. Their goal it’s poor from toti, but 99/100 it doesn’t rebound and fall that way. That being said, takes it well. Not sure how anyone can blame Sa there.

Managed to watch the highlights as didn’t see our goal or the penalty. Only the sky sports highlights so isn’t exactly the most clear angle for pen decision, so undecided.

On Fabio, unfortunately I can’t see him making it here at all. I’ve been very much in the camp of I think there’s a decent player in there, and I still partially think that. However today he comes on, silly foul straight away the penalty. He just looks devoid of any confidence here, and think a break is potentially best for all parties now.

On GoN. Got it wrong second half. Should be leading at half time and then it’s a different game, nonetheless it’s his job to manage the game. He didn’t. Credit when it’s due. Criticism when it’s due. Pretty simple. Hopefully it’s not a return to start of the season game management. On to next week

VAR - yeah it’s not helping our cause is it. However the ‘we’re being robbed’ etc - I’d prefer to look at ourselves, that if at half time we’re leading, as we should be, and don’t have a shit show 2nd half, we don’t leave ourselves open to 1 decision determining the game.