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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

MARKakaJIM said:
It's just a vote on whether to invoke article 50 isn't it?

As I understand none of the real deal making starts until after that decision, so the MPs are getting an overarching yes or no decision on whether or not to accept the result of the advisory referendum regardless of how any deal might be put together afterwards.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, you'd imagine there are plenty of MPs who wanted to remain and will use there vote to indicate that but others may put the voice of the electorate above their own and vote to let the masses have it there way, then you've got the ones who wanted out all along and will do everything they can to stick to that plan. This could get a whole lot messier.
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If Parliament votes not to invoke Article 50 the shit would well and truly hit the fan, it'd be fucking Bedlam.

Interesting times for students of constitutional law.
 
Seems a legit reason to Vote Leave

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I'm a little confused as to what the hell is going on, to be honest. So if the vote is "no" then we don't leave the EU, is that the case? People are suddenly acting as if this is some huge betrayal when really it seems like an oversight at worst and red tape at best - I don't think MP's will overrule the referendum result. Then again, I know about as much about politics than I do football so - :p
 
MARKakaJIM said:
It's just a vote on whether to invoke article 50 isn't it?

As I understand none of the real deal making starts until after that decision, so the MPs are getting an overarching yes or no decision on whether or not to accept the result of the advisory referendum regardless of how any deal might be put together afterwards.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, you'd imagine there are plenty of MPs who wanted to remain and will use there vote to indicate that but others may put the voice of the electorate above their own and vote to let the masses have it there way, then you've got the ones who wanted out all along and will do everything they can to stick to that plan. This could get a whole lot messier.
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Yeah, thats my reading too - Most of the labour MP's would be crazy to vote against brexit given their consituencies largely voted heavily in favour, and the tories will be whipped, so will pass fine. And the vote will be done before any discussions with the EU, so there wont be any detail to debate. Have the vote - its a bit pointless really but will make some people happy.

Visage said:
You lost, get over it.
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Thats actually quite funny, good work!
 
MARKakaJIM said:
It's just a vote on whether to invoke article 50 isn't it?

As I understand none of the real deal making starts until after that decision, so the MPs are getting an overarching yes or no decision on whether or not to accept the result of the advisory referendum regardless of how any deal might be put together afterwards.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, you'd imagine there are plenty of MPs who wanted to remain and will use there vote to indicate that but others may put the voice of the electorate above their own and vote to let the masses have it there way, then you've got the ones who wanted out all along and will do everything they can to stick to that plan. This could get a whole lot messier.
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From what I was reading the other day, what the Government plans to do in terms of the leaving the EU would be put forward before the vote and the general understanding would be that the MP's will not vote for the "hard brexit". Obviously May and her boys could put forward the soft brexit option, MP's vote on yes and then they go off and do something different
 
I don't for one second think that MPs would vote against triggering Brexit but it is mildly amusing to see all these people that voted for Brexit to preserve our sovereignty being totally outraged that Parliament may have to vote in favour of it. You would think that they had already voted not to trigger it based on some of their reactions. Apparently it is AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, and there will be RIOTS ON THE STREETS.
 
Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
there will be RIOTS ON THE STREETS.
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Sweet.

A chance to nab a new TV and PS4 is on the cards.

I like the fact the Government are appealing the decision and if the Supreme Court rejects it they will have to go to the European Court if they want to carry on
 
Premier Quality said:
Yeah, thats my reading too - Most of the labour MP's would be crazy to vote against brexit given their consituencies largely voted heavily in favour, and the tories will be whipped, so will pass fine. And the vote will be done before any discussions with the EU, so there wont be any detail to debate. Have the vote - its a bit pointless really but will make some people happy.
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I'm not sure it'll be that clear cut, there are going to be a mix of motives for different MPs.

You can toe the party line to try and further your career.
Stick to your beliefs and vote on that.
Be principled and look to uphold the decision from the referendum.
Side with whatever your constituency voted in a bid to retain your seat.

I can see there being some rebellious Conservative MPs looking to vote against Brexit if their constituency voted remain, they'll see their party potentially becoming massively out of favour given the close referendum result and look to protect their own interests by defying them in favour of the constituents.

It's going to be a mess.

Kenny said:
From what I was reading the other day, what the Government plans to do in terms of the leaving the EU would be put forward before the vote and the general understanding would be that the MP's will not vote for the "hard brexit". Obviously May and her boys could put forward the soft brexit option, MP's vote on yes and then they go off and do something different
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It's got to be very difficult for the government to have any certainty on what they're offering though isn't it, if they can't start negotiations until article 50 is invoked. The parliamentary vote will just be based on some hypothetical deal that they'll have no idea is actually plausible or not because negotiations can't start until after that vote and it's subsequent actions have been undertaken.

That's why I just see it coming down to a general in or out vote by MPs, much like we had the choice of 6 months ago, but with some swayed by the public's decision rather than their own.
 
As far as Labour MPs in the North of England go you'll suddenly find them pro-Brexit: only way to save their seats from UKIP
 
MARKakaJIM said:
I'm not sure it'll be that clear cut, there are going to be a mix of motives for different MPs.

You can toe the party line to try and further your career.
Stick to your beliefs and vote on that.
Be principled and look to uphold the decision from the referendum.
Side with whatever your constituency voted in a bid to retain your seat.

I can see there being some rebellious Conservative MPs looking to vote against Brexit if their constituency voted remain, they'll see their party potentially becoming massively out of favour given the close referendum result and look to protect their own interests by defying them in favour of the constituents.

It's going to be a mess.



It's got to be very difficult for the government to have any certainty on what they're offering though isn't it, if they can't start negotiations until article 50 is invoked. The parliamentary vote will just be based on some hypothetical deal that they'll have no idea is actually plausible or not because negotiations can't start until after that vote and it's subsequent actions have been undertaken.

That's why I just see it coming down to a general in or out vote by MPs, much like we had the choice of 6 months ago, but with some swayed by the public's decision rather than their own.
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Any ideas what the result would be if MP's voted along the lines of their constituencies?
 
You can't get exact figures for it but all best estimates point to around a 60:40 split in favour of Leave:

https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/r...inster-constituencies-c4612f06319d#.eykbtmk67

MPs don't act in that way though, look at our esteemed PM now backing Heathrow expansion...against the direct wishes of her own constituents.

Zac Goldsmith might end up retaining Richmond Park as a quasi-independent despite being a hardline Brexiter and that area voting around 70% in favour of Remain.
 
Those like THM, who are having a little breakdown, serve only to demonstrate their ignorance of our democracy that they have spent months and years harping on about.

Parliament makes laws.
Courts interpret laws.
People and government can appeal the decisions of courts if they think the decision is wrong.
Parliament changes laws if they don't like the interpretation of the courts.

This is the democratic process that has been at the heart of our society for centuries and a model that was copied by democracies around the world.

Parliament could have legislate to make the referendum binding. They did not.
Parliament can legislate further in the area of prerogative if they wish to prevent such challenges in future. Parliament probably won't though.

What happened today is far more democratic than the referendum. It is the practice of our democratic system that occurs in courts throughout the land compared to the once in a generation referendum.
 
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