REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deutsch Wolf]

They've come up with virtually nothing in terms of ideas, yet alone planning, in four and a half months since the referendum. They have openly said they won't be providing a "running commentary" on progress, as if we'd need to know about a trifling thing like that. They wanted to suppress basic, fundamental Parliamentary procedure even though it's going to be a "Yes/No" vote that they're going to win.

And we're supposed to believe that they have nothing to conceal and they are going to be open about the process?

The reason Brexiters largely hide behind braying and trite insults - as well as seeking to shut down discussion wherever possible - is because they have nothing to say. Even though they won, as they like to remind us.

 

[AndyWolves]

I wonder if someone told Nissan that this was going to be the result.

 

[AndyWolves]

I also wonder if this is why theresa has been so pro brexit. An easy stance to take if you think parliament will block it

 

[Premier Quality]

I was a brexiter and don't think I've been doing any of those things? I don't think they'll be open about the process but it's not good negotiating practice to be anyway.

I personally want them to get on with it - march is long enough to have got organised and recruited/organised negotiators. I don't think Parliament will block it anyway, so want to crack on. My concern is that the remain MPs will try and tack on some kind of amendment - can't leave the single market for example - that will seriously reduce our negotiating position.

(That's my fear by the way, I don't know if that's actually a possibility!)

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I said 'largely'. I'm sure you saw the recent Mail and Express front pages.

That level of debate (lol) is quite indicative of what you get from Brexiters in general.

 

[t3ch]

I that will seriously reduce our negotiating position.

brexit itself is a reduction in negotiating position. speeding it up won't matter.

 

[Premier Quality]

Haha, I hadn't actually, but I'll accept your point!

 

[Premier Quality]

brexit itself is a reduction in negotiating position. speeding it up won't matter.

Having a legally binding starting point that had to be achieved would reduce our negotiating position. If that's even a possibility of course, I've not read anything to say it is yet.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I was a brexiter and don't think I've been doing any of those things? I don't think they'll be open about the process but it's not good negotiating practice to be anyway.

I personally want them to get on with it - march is long enough to have got organised and recruited/organised negotiators. I don't think Parliament will block it anyway, so want to crack on. My concern is that the remain MPs will try and tack on some kind of amendment - can't leave the single market for example - that will seriously reduce our negotiating position.

(That's my fear by the way, I don't know if that's actually a possibility!)

I think it is unlikely that the government would risk the wrath of a large proportion of their support by voting for an amendment like this. I don't think Labour would propose an amendment like this for the same reason - such an amendment would only likely come from SNP and/or Lib Dems and without the support of the two largest parties it would never see its way through Parliament.

Personally, given that the PM has already said nothing before next Spring there is plenty enough parliamentary time to put through a simple Yes/No Article 50 vote.

 

[Premier Quality]

Sounds good SB, hope you're right.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I too think it'll be a simple Yes/No (which begs the question why May didn't just do it anyway). It's not a good look to try to sneak legislation in through the back door and not go through proper rigour, see Gideon and his failed (further) tax credit cuts last year.

 

[visage]

For all the wailing and moaning, there will be a simple one line Bill that says that Parliament authorises the government to invoke A50.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Sounds good SB, hope you're right.

Although they should probably get on with it rather than wasting time on an appeal...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37860618

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Hey, it's only about 330 years' worth of precedent they have to overturn. No bother.

Anyone confident we're going to get a good deal in any negotiations when those tasked with it don't even know the UK's laws and fundamental constitutional principles properly?

 

[leedswolf]

I too think it'll be a simple Yes/No (which begs the question why May didn't just do it anyway). It's not a good look to try to sneak legislation in through the back door and not go through proper rigour, see Gideon and his failed (further) tax credit cuts last year.

See Thatcher and the single market.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Erm, not defying voters in any way at all is it.

Plus they're averting rather than triggering a constitutional crisis by preventing the Government from riding roughshod over what we've had in place for centuries.

Have another go.

 

[leedswolf]

 

[t3ch]

:icon_lol:

 

[Stan Hullis]

The radio has been interesting this morning.

The amount of Brexit supporters who are moaning about a result is very amusing

 

[Penk Wolf]

It's all become the most tedious saga I think I've ever come across, far too many people acting like kids. Give me as shout when it's all over and we can go back to some normality.