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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

tredman said:
That is a massive over reaction.

We live in a parliamentary democracy, they need to approve article 50 as they did the referendum, which they will do as all tory MPs will be whipped.

Interesting a tory brexit MP has resigned today in annoyance at his leader trying to bypass parliament. Quickest route to your fascist envisaged future is putting all power in the hands of a PM / Fuhrer.
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I think that this is the first in a series if challenges. If I were a betting man I would put money on us staying in the EU. Just a hunch. All too difficult. You're right, many brexiters would now vote remain not because their views have changed just because brexit has been shown to be really really difficult and challenging. Which begs the question why more was not made of that by remain campaigners!
 
Cyber-_-man said:
I think that this is the first in a series if challenges. If I were a betting man I would put money on us staying in the EU. Just a hunch. All too difficult. You're right, many brexiters would now vote remain not because their views have changed just because brexit has been shown to be really really difficult and challenging. Which begs the question why more was not made of that by remain campaigners!
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Really, Cyber? Plenty of people said that Brexit wasn't going to be the cakewalk that the Leave campaign portrayed. The trouble is people chose to believe the nonsense thrown out by UKIP, the Daily Mail and the rest of them. A bit like Trump supporters in the US, no amount of reasoned argument will sway them. When people said "You know it's not going to be as easy as they say", the response was generally along the lines of "so you think all working people are thick then, you socialist elite bastard."
 
Cyber-_-man said:
I think that this is the first in a series if challenges. If I were a betting man I would put money on us staying in the EU. Just a hunch. All too difficult. You're right, many brexiters would now vote remain not because their views have changed just because brexit has been shown to be really really difficult and challenging. Which begs the question why more was not made of that by remain campaigners!
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It was, but got dismissed as 'Project Fear'...
 
Cyber-_-man said:
I think that this is the first in a series if challenges. If I were a betting man I would put money on us staying in the EU. Just a hunch. All too difficult. You're right, many brexiters would now vote remain not because their views have changed just because brexit has been shown to be really really difficult and challenging. Which begs the question why more was not made of that by remain campaigners!
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If only some experts had been on hand to give us their insight...
 
The signs were there when Big Dave went for renegotiation of UK terms and got hit by a wall of apathy. A lot of Europe see Britain as being far to big for it's boots, and took the opportunity to tell us that.

Anyone fancying that attitude changing during Brexit negotiations is fooling themselves.
 
But even if everybody loved the idea, agreed it would be best for everyone and sunny uplands were guaranteed after Brexit, it would still be a massively complex task to extricate ourselves from a 35-year union that went so deep. Even though we were often an unwilling partner, we did, on the whole participate fully in the EU. You can't just walk away overnight.

Only a complete idiot would think that... and here we are.
 
Visage said:
It was, but got dismissed as 'Project Fear'...
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No it wasn't. The large entanglement, article 50 ,when and how to trigger it, were not covered by any one. Or not foreseen to have been any where near the issue they have been. The whole thing from start to date has been a clusterfuck of gargantuan proportions and we will not look back on the first 16 years of this century with anything other than embarrassment politically. Cameron Corbyn May Brown and Blair are awful politicians.
 
So Long Architect said:
But even if everybody loved the idea, agreed it would be best for everyone and sunny uplands were guaranteed after Brexit, it would still be a massively complex task to extricate ourselves from a 35-year union that went so deep. Even though we were often an unwilling partner, we did, on the whole participate fully in the EU. You can't just walk away overnight.

Only a complete idiot would think that... and here we are.
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You're right. 100% and the result? More hatred and vitriol fuelling xenophobic views and anti European feeling. Fucking idiots. If you want to make sure of a result give it some zeal and better still show a bit of empathy for the obvious mood in the country re EU immigration, welfare ,benefits etc. The astounding arrogance of the government is matched only by the idiocy of the EU to let this get this far. I wanted out for loads of reasons none surrounding immigration. I want out even more and I want a different set of politicians in Parliament. I am angry and embarrassed by the whole thing.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
You're right. 100% and the result? More hatred and vitriol fuelling xenophobic views and anti European feeling. Fucking idiots. If you want to make sure of a result give it some zeal and better still show a bit of empathy for the obvious mood in the country re EU immigration, welfare ,benefits etc. The astounding arrogance of the government is matched only by the idiocy of the EU to let this get this far. I wanted out for loads of reasons none surrounding immigration. I want out even more and I want a different set of politicians in Parliament. I am angry and embarrassed by the whole thing.
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You wanted out but you're blaming the side that wanted in for not making a strong enough case to make everybody else want to stay in? That sounds to me like you wanted to vote out to have a protest but didn't actually want the final result to go in your direction. (I'm sure you'll say that isn't the case but this post gives that impression). I suspect that motivation is genuinely true of a lot of people however.
 
1.25 and climbing, well until that dickhead at the BoE decides to cut interest rates again...
 
I'm still convinced that people who voted out didn't actually know what they were voting for nor the implications of leaving the EU
 
AndyWolves said:
I'm still convinced that people who voted out didn't actually know what they were voting for nor the implications of leaving the EU
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Sky News did some vox pops with Leave voters after the result, one was some butcher from Lincoln saying he voted the way he did because he was "a bit tired of being told what to do". I'd love to know what specifically the EU were telling him pre-June.

This is why we have a major problem with the right wing media in this country (someone was trying to tell me a few months ago that the media wasn't at all right leaning!), they shape the agenda far too much and far too many people just swallow what they have to say without doing their own thinking or research. Even if my mate above was being told what to do by your archetypal EU bureaucrat with his barmy rules about, I dunno, the shape of veal escalopes or some other totally made up bullshit, I'd rather it be anyone other than Paul Dacre telling him what to do.
 
I've said for a long time that legally the media should only be able to report facts and not speculation.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I've said for a long time that legally the media should only be able to report facts and not speculation.
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Couldn't agree more, the media should have the same level of regulation as the financial sector 😎
 
Penk Wolf said:
1.25 and climbing, well until that dickhead at the BoE decides to cut interest rates again...
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It is climbing for one reason. A certain court case yesterday. It shot up the moment Brexit had to be put in front of Parliament as the markets clearly hope that is hard Brexit dead in the water.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I've said for a long time that legally the media should only be able to report facts and not speculation.
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So the media should not be able to have an opinion? Opinions aren't fact and having an opinion about something that may happen requires speculation

What you are proposing is effectively a censorship of the media.
 
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