REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[MARKakaJIM]

It's a bit of a double edge sword isn't it really, you're losing the size of the EU market as a selling point but at the same time you're decreasing the number of obstacles to getting the deal done by not having so many parties involved.

Which way the balance swings is going to depend on the countries involved and what they want from the deal, the big problem as far as I can see is that it's unlikely any new deals will provide the level of trade we currently share with the EU so how good any new deals are will be largely irrelevant because we'll probably still be miles down on our old EU trade.

 

[Premier Quality]

A balanced view? not sure thats allowed on here mate.

I agree actually - the increased trade with Australia/China/USA/India etc will be really positive, as will changing the regulations and not paying/paying less into the EU budget but we don't really know at this stage what the impact of leaving the EU will be in terms of trade (ie it will be negative/bad/really bad/bloody awful)...

but what its not is black and white that ones great and the others terrible, either way.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Is there a possibility that these Countries don't really want a trade deal with some of the Countries in the EU? e.g. Poland, Bulgaria. And then have no say in the future of which Countries can be added to that trade deal?

 

[AndyWolves]

I want to know what was said / promised to Nissan to get them to build cars here. The way I see it these are the options :-

1) We are going to remain in the EU single market
2) We will compensate Nissan for any tariffs they have to pay if we aren't in the EU single market
3) We gave them a big wodge of cash, big enough that 2 is no longer an issue
4) We lied to Nissan and promised them we will stay in the single market when we won't

 

[Jolemai]

There was a better article in the Guardian than the one posted on the BBC but it seems like we'll never know (and certainly parliament don't).

 

[visage]

There was a better article in the Guardian than the one posted on the BBC but it seems like we'll never know (and certainly parliament don't).

Didn't we vote to assert the sovereignty of Parliament?

 

[Jolemai]

Didn't we vote to assert the sovereignty of Parliament?

I genuinely haven't the foggiest what the 51.9% voted for.

 

[AndyWolves]

There was a better article in the Guardian than the one posted on the BBC but it seems like we'll never know (and certainly parliament don't).

I'm not buying that Nissan would make a decision of that magnitude based on what our demeanour will be like during negotiations

 

[Penk Wolf]

I'm not buying that Nissan would make a decision of that magnitude based on what our demeanour will be like during negotiations

Maybe they feel that the UK is a good place to export from with the price of the pound.

 

[Jolemai]

I'm not buying that Nissan would make a decision of that magnitude based on what our demeanour will be like during negotiations

Here's the Guardian article in case you haven't seen it already.

 

[visage]

 

[thehistorymakers]

She said, the EU is fucked but we will be both be able to retire with good pensions next year!

 

[Lord Knows]

Some good news.

High court says parliament must vote on triggering article 50.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Some good news.

High court says parliament must vote on triggering article 50.

Shambles and a disgrace. The establishment trying to disenfranchise the will of the people.

A good day for Bob Geldof and his type and a bad day for democracy!

 

[Kenny]

Shambles and a disgrace. The establishment trying to disenfranchise the will of the people.

A good day for Bob Geldof and his type and a bad day for democracy!

How is it?

Still leaving the EU aren't we. Surely it means we will have a clearer picture of what the Government want to do or even get. If they secure a deal that is pointless and puts the country at risk then surely it is better that the deal is looked at and voted on. It isn't a vote by MP's to stay or leave it is a vote to make sure May, Johnson & Co don't bend the UK over and fuck harder than the EU ever could.

 

[So Long Architect]

Shambles and a disgrace. The establishment trying to disenfranchise the will of the people.

A good day for Bob Geldof and his type and a bad day for democracy!

Hang on... I'm sure you spent the pre-referendum campaign telling us that Parliament was sovereign. Have you changed that view?

I wouldn't worry though, assuming this ruling even stands after the appeal, Brexit it itself will still go ahead as hardly any MPs will want to vote in a different direction to the referendum. That would be electoral suicide. But it will hopefully result in some better scrutiny of the whole thing by our elected representatives. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with that.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

How is it?

Still leaving the EU aren't we. Surely it means we will have a clearer picture of what the Government want to do or even get. If they secure a deal that is pointless and puts the country at risk then surely it is better that the deal is looked at and voted on. It isn't a vote by MP's to stay or leave it is a vote to make sure May, Johnson & Co don't bend the UK over and fuck harder than the EU ever could.

It's just a vote on whether to invoke article 50 isn't it?

As I understand none of the real deal making starts until after that decision, so the MPs are getting an overarching yes or no decision on whether or not to accept the result of the advisory referendum regardless of how any deal might be put together afterwards.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, you'd imagine there are plenty of MPs who wanted to remain and will use there vote to indicate that but others may put the voice of the electorate above their own and vote to let the masses have it there way, then you've got the ones who wanted out all along and will do everything they can to stick to that plan. This could get a whole lot messier.

 

[visage]

Shambles and a disgrace. The establishment trying to disenfranchise the will of the people.

A good day for Bob Geldof and his type and a bad day for democracy!

You lost, get over it.

 

[Lord Knows]

Hang on... I'm sure you spent the pre-referendum campaign telling us that Parliament was sovereign. Have you changed that view?

I wouldn't worry though, assuming this ruling even stands after the appeal, Brexit it itself will still go ahead as hardly any MPs will want to vote in a different direction to the referendum. That would be electoral suicide. But it will hopefully result in some better scrutiny of the whole thing by our elected representatives. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with that.

Could the Labour party now use this to pledge to stay within the European Union as part of its next General Election manifesto? While also creating fresh divisions within the Conservative Party.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

Shambles and a disgrace. The establishment trying to disenfranchise the will of the people.

A good day for Bob Geldof and his type and a bad day for democracy!

Shock! Horror!

Rule of Law applies to everyone, including the government!

Whatever next?