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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Papper said:
Yep, apparently so is the £60Bn we'll be paying in interest on the national debt per annum by 2020.
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Best pay off £1.5 trillion quickly then and become the only major economy with zero debt in the history of the world.

Honestly, you're painfully naive at times.
 
Papper said:
In Lincolnshire the rich got richer and the poor didn't.

You can see that in the local pay statistics. Boston has always been a low-pay town. But it is now an exceptionally low-paid place.

The average hourly wage nationally is £13.33. Across the East Midlands, it is £12.26. In Boston, it is £9.13. On a weekly basis, full-time earnings are more than £100 a week less than the national average.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541
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It's well known that before EU membership, residents of Boston drank fine wines and dined on Swan.
 
So if you voted Leave, you are, presumably, now expecting the living standards of those at the bottom of society to improve as the reason for their plight has been removed. Which economic and other factors will change to make this happen, do you think? I'm not asking anyone for a plan, or to take responsibility for anything, just asking how they think life is going to improve for those people all the leavers on here seem to care about most - the poor, white working class.
 
So Long Architect said:
So if you voted Leave, you are, presumably, now expecting the living standards of those at the bottom of society to improve as the reason for their plight has been removed. Which economic and other factors will change to make this happen, do you think? I'm not asking anyone for a plan, or to take responsibility for anything, just asking how they think life is going to improve for those people all the leavers on here seem to care about most - the poor, white working class.
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Eventually pressure from unlimited EU immigration will decrease. Governments and companies hopefully will see the necessity to train British workers, Doctors and nurses etc instead of leaving them on the slagheap.
 
You really think there are thousands of wannabe British doctors out there who just can't catch a break because of EU immigrants?

There really aren't. You need a seriously specialist set of skills to do it and a certain amount of motivation and altruism. We already train and use what we can.

We could train some rubbish doctors but that's not really helping anyone.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
You really think there are thousands of wannabe British doctors out there who just can't catch a break because of EU immigrants?

There really aren't. You need a seriously specialist set of skills to do it and a certain amount of motivation and altruism. We already train and use what we can.

We could train some rubbish doctors but that's not really helping anyone.
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You mean we don't have thousands of trained doctors and surgeons drawing JSA because foreigners are doing their jobs for cheaper? Unbelievable.
 
ProgWolf said:
This interests me. We all knew the Leave Camp would hammer home Immigration / Freedom of Movement. So, putting that aside, why were you originally going to vote Leave ?
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I don't believe the EU in it's current form is fit for purpose, it is neither one thing or the other. A single market that operates across borders I can live with, access to which requires members to adhere to common standards. But there is no need for the European Parliament - the governance of a single market could be managed by government ministers from each country cabinet style. However it isn't a federal state either but continues to have aspirations in that way...so it ends up being neither one or the other.

It became clear during the referendum campaign that the alternative being offered to the EU was little more than pandering to those undertones I referred to earlier and everything that Theresa May has done since has confirmed that. Had the leave campaign said we'll leave the EU and actively press for a Norwegian type solution likely I would have voted leave - not because I think that Norway's relationship is perfect but it if there were more Norway's it would be easier to move away from where it is now into a looser arrangement.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Nahhh. I live in a Spanish city, mix with Spanish people and speak Spanish. I intergrate. You live in a country, mix with the locals, don't try to impose your values on the host country and you will get on fine.
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As long as it's not the other way around huh.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Eventually pressure from unlimited EU immigration will decrease. Governments and companies hopefully will see the necessity to train British workers, Doctors and nurses etc instead of leaving them on the slagheap.
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In what way have British people been discouraged/prevented from becoming doctors and nurses since we have been members of the EU?
 
The whole thing makes no sense. If I decided to go back into the world of "proper" employment (I might have to the way things are going...actually my business has tailed off since last summer, so maybe I should blame Brexit in the way that everything bad over the last 40 years is pinned on the EU), I send out my CV, they look over my qualifications and experience, we chat about mutual expectations in terms of duties, salary etc...comes to the crunch and they won't employ me because I'm British and they can get some foreigner to do the exact same thing for cheaper? I don't think so. None of this is the real world. It's a very strange fantasy pieced together from flimsy anecdotes and Daily Express articles.
 
Indeed. Surely if we wnat the best teachers possible. Or doctors, or anything, really, then ensuring our pool of potential employees is as large as possible is a good thing, right?

DO we really say 'I want the best possible doctor, as long as they have a UK passport? Would I reject an awesome teacher because they originally hail from 'Not Here'?
 
Visage said:
As we all know, countries outside the EU dont exploit the poor, yes?
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Absolutely but now my vote can put to a government that is entirely accountable to the UK population. People like 'resigned twice' Mandelson and leader flop Kinnock and the recent Con who didn't even serve as an MP did little (when they served as commissioners) to stop ' EU ' exploitation. They are now irrelevant.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
The whole thing makes no sense. If I decided to go back into the world of "proper" employment (I might have to the way things are going...actually my business has tailed off since last summer, so maybe I should blame Brexit in the way that everything bad over the last 40 years is pinned on the EU), I send out my CV, they look over my qualifications and experience, we chat about mutual expectations in terms of duties, salary etc...comes to the crunch and they won't employ me because I'm British and they can get some foreigner to do the exact same thing for cheaper? I don't think so. None of this is the real world. It's a very strange fantasy pieced together from flimsy anecdotes and Daily Express articles.
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You are not competing with 'those that can't be forced into work' for employment. You are obviously quite a smart guy and you would obviously be looking for employment where there is competition. For low paid unskilled work there isn't.
 
Papper said:
You are not competing with 'those that can't be forced into work' for employment. You are obviously quite a smart guy and you would obviously be looking for employment where there is competition. For low paid unskilled work there isn't.
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Fair. But I can only really speak from my perspective, can't I?

And it was in response to "British doctors and nurses being chucked on the slagheap (sic)" which I just don't think is true at all.
 
Visage said:
Indeed. Surely if we wnat the best teachers possible. Or doctors, or anything, really, then ensuring our pool of potential employees is as large as possible is a good thing, right?

DO we really say 'I want the best possible doctor, as long as they have a UK passport? Would I reject an awesome teacher because they originally hail from 'Not Here'?
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I agree with you in this respect. I'm not sure many Brits who want to become doctors, nurses and teachers find many obstacles to doing that.
 
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