REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deutsch Wolf]

I vote for the Green Party and have done since 2011, why would I want that?

Drawing things down to "win" and "lose" is so juvenile but then we have an innately juvenile Government.

And yes, exporters. Forget any business you have built up for the last decade or whatever, go and pick fruits or work in a factory. This all seems good.

You can't give any benefits because there aren't any, it is an awful idea that is going predictably badly.

 

[sycophantia]

Watching the Cornish programme on the Beeb will give you a rather damning picture of Brexit from the fishing prospective.

It's soul destroying for them.

Also if you watch any of the interviews with the langoustine fishermen then you get a devastating picture of how badly the industry as a whole has been hit.

Not a Rees-Mogg or Garage in sight now though. Cunts that they are.

This is where I was basing my comments on.

 

[Tredman]

Did you genuinely think everything would be completely sorted on day one? Nothing to straighten out, no more negotiations?

it is genuinely quite entertaining how much some of you guys hate it all. You must detest how well the vaccine rollout is going...

Vaccines have nothing to do with this, we could have been in the EU and opted opt of joint procurement (thanks Maggie).

I find all the glorying in the death of our export economy from you rather sickening, it’s as much people’s lives as vaccines.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Did you genuinely think everything would be completely sorted on day one? Nothing to straighten out, no more negotiations?

it is genuinely quite entertaining how much some of you guys hate it all. You must detest how well the vaccine rollout is going...

It is 1710 days since the referendum. Day one, no. One of the other 1709 days is a reasonable expectation.

 

[leedswolf]

 

[leedswolf]

Hate goblin Andrew Bridgen steps up to the plate.

 

[Johnny75]

What a bunch of cunts.

 

[Paul]

And yes, exporters. Forget any business you have built up for the last decade or whatever, go and pick fruits or work in a factory. This all seems good.

You can't give any benefits because there aren't any, it is an awful idea that is going predictably badly.

Right, still speak to a few hauliers out there but the consensus seems to be:

Because a deal wasn't struck till the eleventh hour UK PLC wasn't ready. HMRC wasn't ready and the Europeans weren't ready, a problem that would resolve itself you'd think, well, when we joined the EU tens of thousands of customs officers were not needed and got rid of, now were out of there guess what we need ?
I know of at least two major hauliers that don't come to the UK anymore, why bother it's not worth the hassle when they can commute inside Europe for less money but don't sit at borders for two days (as an aside the French are being complete arses about the situation but I think everyone expected that)
You are in a situation now where hauliers are picking only lucrative easy jobs to do, worse case scenario is British industry will be at the mercy of , I won't say unscrupulous, but hauliers that will have the upper hand and dictate the market.
For example, I used to move a lot of material classed as waste ( a very very generic term) and hazardous, If I was still in the same job those consignments if going to Rotterdam would currently cost me 70% more than before, If I wanted them to got to Germany, forget it, it's not happening !
The big issue is, due to Covid, nobody knows any of this is going on .

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I was looking more from a purely consumer point of view, I don't know the industry itself.

Let's say I live in Hamburg. I buy records from a specialist shop over in the UK. They're £20 a pop. No problem, happy with that, I need my fix of Shakira on vinyl.

Those same records are now £39 because Johnson is a lying shit and there are blatantly increased costs due to his shit non-deal.

I just won't buy them. Bye bye exports.

 

[Paul]

I was looking more from a purely consumer point of view, I don't know the industry itself.

Let's say I live in Hamburg. I buy records from a specialist shop over in the UK. They're £20 a pop. No problem, happy with that, I need my fix of Shakira on vinyl.

Those same records are now £39 because Johnson is a lying shit and there are blatantly increased costs due to his shit non-deal.

I just won't buy them. Bye bye exports.

In a nutshell but instead of Shakira substitute £290 billion

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The UK music industry has a whole will end up being totally done over too as Fatty McCunt refuses to sign an opt-out for them. Essentially makes touring in mainland Europe non-viable.

Nice one, only brings in around £6bn a year on its own, without even taking into account the knock-on effects on people tangentially employed or invested.

What a deal though, no problems.

 

[Tredman]

The UK music industry has a whole will end up being totally done over too as Fatty McCunt refuses to sign an opt-out for them. Essentially makes touring in mainland Europe non-viable.

Nice one, only brings in around £6bn a year on its own, without even taking into account the knock-on effects on people tangentially employed or invested.

What a deal though, no problems.

See that I struggle with - yes £8bn is a lot, but so is the other £282bn. Why should the music industry be any different to the rest of us getting fucked over.

 

[Paul]

Got rid of the immigrants though didn't it !! Silver linings and all that

 

[Paul]

See that I struggle with - yes £8bn is a lot, but so is the other £282bn. Why should the music industry be any different to the rest of us getting fucked over.

Sorry I was being flippant with the figures it was £294 billion on 2019, I shortchanged you by £4 billion

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

See that I struggle with - yes £8bn is a lot, but so is the other £282bn. Why should the music industry be any different to the rest of us getting fucked over.

It isn't. But the EU are happy to do that bit right now, takes no work. Sign this bit of paper, you lose nothing. No-one loses except in the most absurd of hypothetical situations. I doubt thousands of fake Romanian bands are going to set up fake UK tours then milk our famously dreadful welfare system.

But no.

 

[Premier Quality]

It is 1710 days since the referendum. Day one, no. One of the other 1709 days is a reasonable expectation.

Did you miss the bit about “the eu never strikes a deal until the last minute”?

 

[Premier Quality]

Vaccines have nothing to do with this, we could have been in the EU and opted opt of joint procurement (thanks Maggie).

I find all the glorying in the death of our export economy from you rather sickening, it’s as much people’s lives as vaccines.

No, we couldn’t, in the same way Germany couldn’t when they wanted to.

as for the other bit - grow up dude, it’s a conversation on a forum, there’s no glorying

 

[Tredman]

No, we couldn’t, in the same way Germany couldn’t when they wanted to.

Its almost like Germany didn't negotiate a specific opt-out for EU policies and programmes..

 

[darlowolf64]

Did you miss the bit about “the eu never strikes a deal until the last minute”?

It was the UK government stalling though despite promising an "oven ready deal"

 

[Premier Quality]

Its almost like Germany didn't negotiate a specific opt-out for EU policies and programmes..

Technically, any of the countries COULD have done their own thing on vaccines, but because of the overarching “EU can demonstrate value” ethos, they didn’t.
Turns out the EU can’t demonstrate value....