REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[machin05]

You're the one assuming all of these voted Leave. You don't know that.
You also don't know that Leave don't have a plan, because they haven't discussed it with you.

Everything is being held up by party political disputes at the moment, as you and the other 'remainers' on here know. But it doesn't stop your onerous claptrap.

If they had a plan, it would have been published by now. Did you read Boris's Telegraph article this week???!

 

[Penk Wolf]

Not for the public sector, generally. That depends more on the Gov in place really.

It does, but if the Government has more income then it will make life easier in the public sector?

 

[Langers]

You're the one assuming all of these voted Leave. You don't know that.
You also don't know that Leave don't have a plan, because they haven't discussed it with you.

Everything is being held up by party political disputes at the moment, as you and the other 'remainers' on here know. But it doesn't stop your onerous claptrap.

It's painfully obvious they don't have a plan!!

However, I will agree that not everyone who voted leave is a racist bigot, I was talking to some people on Sunday night who voted leave and although I disagreed with them, at least they told me that they were making an informed decision based on economics rather than banging the immigration drum.

 

[Johnny75]

You're the one assuming all of these voted Leave. You don't know that.
You also don't know that Leave don't have a plan, because they haven't discussed it with you.

Everything is being held up by party political disputes at the moment, as you and the other 'remainers' on here know. But it doesn't stop your onerous claptrap.

Nothing onerous here. You had no plan, Boris admitted it so your apology will be accepted when you write it down.

 

[machin05]

It does, but if the Government has more income then it will make life easier in the public sector?

Not this one!

 

[Jolemai]

As has been said time and time again, no one on here thinks everyone who voted out is racist, bigoted, xenophobic, etc, etc. So can you all stop assuming that we feel that way please? It's getting old.

 

[nimrod]

there should have been a plan and there shouldn't have been any need for deceit which undermines democracy.

but that's the fault of the political leaders of the campaign and not the fault of the people who voted to leave. you can't lump all leavers together in the decisions they took and you can't say there aren't legitimate reasons for a vote leave, which is why there was support across the political spectrum for it.

the big question is how ongoing governments deal with the fact that their vision up to now does not seem to be shared by the majority in the country and whether they'll do anything about it or just carry on as before.

 

[So Long Architect]

On here, I think people have vented their annoyance at the misinformation of the leave campaign and their lack of a plan now that they've "won". I don't recall much in the way of abuse directed towards those who voted.

 

[Jolemai]

Apparently Brierley Hill market has already seen a 10% in bootleg DVD sales :icon_lol:

 

[Dinowolf]

Nothing onerous here. You had no plan, Boris admitted it so your apology will be accepted when you write it down.

Maybe you should ask Boris for an apology then.

 

[Dinowolf]

What on earth are British Values? How are they different to Danish values, or Swedish values, or Italian values?

Why bring nationality into it at all?

Because this was a national vote and a national decision.
British values? Surprised you don't know. Democracy, rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance for those with different
faiths and beliefs.

 

[machin05]

Because this was a national vote and a national decision.
British values? Surprised you don't know. Democracy, rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance for those with different
faiths and beliefs.

Are you seriously suggesting we have enriched those values by closing our borders and vindicating the far right?

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

Because this was a national vote and a national decision.
British values? Surprised you don't know. Democracy, rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance for those with different
faiths and beliefs.

Those aren't specifically British though are they?

Qualifying them as such isn't doing your 'not racist' claim any good because it supposes that those qualities are only inherent to the British people. It sounds like a BNP sound bite.

 

[Johnny75]

Maybe you should ask Boris for an apology then.

And I think he should do too.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

That's just pathetic. You have no intention of being reasonable.

No it isn't pathetic.


Why the hell should I have to be reasonable. I have had something I valued greatly taken away against my wishes by a group that have campaigned on lies and have no damn clue what to do next, much to the detriment of the country.

And I damn well won't forgive it.

 

[Johnny75]

Because this was a national vote and a national decision.
British values? Surprised you don't know. Democracy, rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect and tolerance for those with different
faiths and beliefs.

And how does not being in the EU affect any of those principles?

 

[machin05]

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

Could I ask the Brexiters here what they make of the apparent u-turn of the Brexit campaign over immigration and the use of EU funds in the future?

Do you think immigration numbers will drop and will the NHS get their 350 million a week?

If not, is this a problem?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I would like to know why they think the other members of the EU are going to accept no freedom of movement for their citizens across our borders, while guaranteeing that British Citizens can go wherever they like. Also why they should accept that the UK should still be within the EU free trade and tariff system, while no longer paying over membership funds so it can be not spent on the NHS.

As this is a somewhat unrealistic bargaining position, what elements are less crucial to the stance and can be allowed to be negotiated, and what parts are red lines that cannot be crossed?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Are you seriously suggesting we have enriched those values by closing our borders and vindicating the far right?

Do you honestly think we could go on like we were? Where would it all stop? Infrastructure, housing, schools, health at breaking point. Something had to give. If they had prepared the country beforehand, it might have been different, but both governments didn't.

The UK is already the most densely populated in the EU, after Malta, it couldn't carry on.