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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Bit on the shaggies said:
I suppose you could say more or less the same about Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot.
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I am not an apologist for Farage - a man who should of stayed in the Red Lion or golf club bar giving his views to all and sundry. but Hitler or Pol Pot he isn't.

He is not someone who anyone else should have taken any serious notice of
 
If dangerous demagogues were identified as such from the outset they'd never do any damage. Often its recognised too late.
 
Parkins left foot said:
I am not an apologist for Farage - a man who should of stayed in the Red Lion or golf club bar giving his views to all and sundry. but Hitler or Pol Pot he isn't.

He is not someone who anyone else should have taken any serious notice of
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I didn't say that he was, I was just pointing out the absurdity of judging Farage by the number of people that voted for him without taking into account the wider context.

If you scrape away the evil that Hitler did you could also claim that he accomplished many extraordinary things.
 
Anyone see the guy behind Farage doing the wanker sign?
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Premier Quality said:
I'm an admirer of what Farage has achieved - to build a party from nothing to getting the third highest votes in a general election, the same as the lib dems and snp put together is an amazing achievement. To then see his aim of Brexit come true, given that when he started fighting for it, it was an impossible dream is also amazing.

Having said that, he's only going to be negative to his own cause now. Getting into arguments with people in Europe Won't help our negotiations, which is all that matters now. He should sit down and shut up whilst he's winning, to avoid making everything going forward even harder.
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agree. He has today had his moment in the sun. The time he wanted to (rightly or wrongly) give the EU parliament an I told you so speech. It can get no better than this for him. The issue now is that we have delivered the vote and need to get on with the process of implementing it. Not easy given the turmoil in both main parties.Which ever way you voted you can only be spectacularly un-umpressed on how shallow (borderline cowardly) many of the countries leaders and MPS have been since the vote. The lack of Leadership is astounding. As for Labour? Voting no confidence when 60% of the membership was behind Corbyn is a crass kick in the crutch to the people who elected the MPs. Labour is doing a very good job of making itself unelectable at a time the country is crying out for a strong alternative and has delivered in the Brexit vote a damning condemnation of current govt policies and leadership. I have to say I did not see such spinelessness coming from those elected to serve. They are in my opinion , telling the people " you created this mess, we dont agree so we are not going to fix it" and that is a hugely dangerous message. I have said this before but I cannot see how members of the tory party and members of the labour party who are so clearly at odds with their parties direction and ideals can remain MPs under that banner. If ever there was a time for another option or a return of the SDP it is now.
As for EU leaders. Hang your head in shame. Cameron came with a list of demands. If you really wanted us to stay you would have given him more. I truly believe those leaders thought we would remain and like us have no plan B. There is a political void that needs filling and filling quickly to avoid the far left or the far right filling it with hate and vitriol taking us back 40 years. This would not be because of the vote. It would be because of the ineptitude of those charged by our votes to deliver on our behalf. When that happens and confidence is lost then you really do have problems. September is too far away for the tories. Someone needs to act and act now.
 
Dinowolf said:
From last January

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...xit-plans-to-avoid-FOI-says-Gus-ODonnell.html
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So Civil Servants freely admit they were working on it, but couldn't write it down because they didn't want a Freedom of Information request to leak it. So rather different to being ordered not to do it.

The lack of a plan is solely the fault of one group. The Leave campaign who want this to happen and have not prepared at all.

The leaderless government had a plan. It's called "over to you then". And that is causing issues because of the point above.
 
Vodafone have said they may have to relocate to Europe. That is our 11th biggest company. Brilliant.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
So Civil Servants freely admit they were working on it, but couldn't write it down because they didn't want a Freedom of Information request to leak it. So rather different to being ordered not to do it.

The lack of a plan is solely the fault of one group. The Leave campaign who want this to happen and have not prepared at all.

The leaderless government had a plan. It's called "over to you then". And that is causing issues because of the point above.
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"Mr Cameron and his Chancellor George Osborne, who are leading Britain's renegotiation with the European Union ahead of a referendum within the next two years, have insisted that civil servants are not working on planning what will happen if Britons vote to leave in the European Union referendum."

They weren't part of the Leave campaign.
 
Dinowolf said:
"Mr Cameron and his Chancellor George Osborne, who are leading Britain's renegotiation with the European Union ahead of a referendum within the next two years, have insisted that civil servants are not working on planning what will happen if Britons vote to leave in the European Union referendum."

They weren't part of the Leave campaign.
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I'm glad you noticed that. What they didn't say is anything that contradicts the article that civil servants aren't thinking or secretly planning Brexit. And surely you shouldn't be calling anybody out as liars should you, given your sides campaigning?

However the most important point for me and one the Leave campaign is consistently ignoring is: WHY IN THE WIDE WORLD OF FUCKS DIDNT THE LEAVE CAMPAIGN HAVE A PLAN?

How about you stop blaming the government and have a plan yourself. This blame game is fucking pathetic and it makes people who genuinely voted leave for other than xenophobic, bigoted, small minded reasons look like they are. And I'm sure that's not the case Dino. You, THM, Papper and Cyber-man would never vote out for those reasons would you? You had a plan didn't you? You had some idea of what you think should happen and how you think it would, didn't you? I mean who would vote for something that wasn't planned?

You may as well vote on the existence of God.
 
I'm absolutely dismayed and disappointed by what I am reading on here. It's not from the media but from people who are making assumptions about why voters have decided to leave the EU.

I have many friends on both sides of the fence and the 'mud slinging' is clearly coming from the 'remain' side. Let me tell you that my friends who have voted to leave are not ignorant, stupid, uneducated nor racist. They are however brave and determined to secure what they believe is a better future for themselves and their families. Their choice to leave wasn't taken lightly and I've watched them debate this on social media for weeks. To suggest that more than half of the UK didn't understand what they were voting for is utter rubbish.

Clearly emotions are running high, but what an onerous way to express your opinion, by calling people thick, stupid and xenophobic because they don't share your view about being a member of the EU.

More respect should be shown and people should now be looking to work together to achieve the best outcome for everyone.
Being negative and just complaining about everything is not helping anyone and is being corrosive.

Please show some patience and have faith that we have the wherewithal to come out of this situation by keeping our British values intact.
 
I was at a trade show yesterday and I can't remember one person saying they voted for remain. These certainly aren't stupid people and includes people that have multi million pound businesses.

A lot seemed to comment how relieved they were that they had speaking to many 'normal' people that had voted leave as they had been made to feel they'd help ruin the country.
 
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