REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Johnny75]

Haha. The leaders of 27 countries after 3 years can't work something out and you want a Working Class bloke to lay it all out in a post on a football forum?

This is the point isn't it?

There has been this nonsense for years now from people that voted leave. No substance yet all very quick to make a statement that can't be backed up, and in most cases, debunked by what has gone on before.

Yet people still choose to believe it. It defies any sort of logic.

You can see why a lot of people get fed up with the utter bollocks that is spouted from almost every person that voted leave.

 

[arklowolf]

This is the point isn't it?

There has been this nonsense for years now from people that voted leave. No substance yet all very quick to make a statement that can't be backed up, and in most cases, debunked by what has gone on before.

Yet people still choose to believe it. It defies any sort of logic.

You can see why a lot of people get fed up with the utter bollocks that is spouted from almost every person that voted leave.

I didn't get a vote. So that's me in the clear then.

 

[Johnny75]

I didn't get a vote.

I'm glad about that.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Ken Clarke has said he's willing to back Corbyn to stop no deal. Other Tories starting to fall in too. They must just actually get their shit together in time to fuck Johnson.

 

[Langers]

Ken Clarke has said he's willing to back Corbyn to stop no deal. Other Tories starting to fall in too. They must just actually get their shit together in time to fuck Johnson.

I'm sceptical. Saying one thing and going against it to tow the party line is standard Tory practise.

 

[Sedgley Wolf]

This is the point isn't it?

There has been this nonsense for years now from people that voted leave. No substance yet all very quick to make a statement that can't be backed up, and in most cases, debunked by what has gone on before.

Yet people still choose to believe it. It defies any sort of logic.

You can see why a lot of people get fed up with the utter bollocks that is spouted from almost every person that voted leave.

This is it in a nutshell.

Pathetic behaviour.

 

[Papper]

This is the point isn't it?

There has been this nonsense for years now from people that voted leave. No substance yet all very quick to make a statement that can't be backed up, and in most cases, debunked by what has gone on before.

Yet people still choose to believe it. It defies any sort of logic.

You can see why a lot of people get fed up with the utter bollocks that is spouted from almost every person that voted leave.

Quite. Everybody who has a different viewpoint is talking bollocks. Guess that's why we supposedly have a democracy and systems to serve democracy ie referendums. Which is then ignored by those who don't like the result - those who say the leavers didn't know what they voted for. Clutching at straws has resulted in the current mess.

 

[Papper]

Precisely.
The Irish politicians (I wont call them 'government) and the EU are quite prepared to sacrifice their own people on a point of principal though. Playing with peoples lives and livelihoods whilst feathering their own nests.

Can't blame them. It suits them to keep the UK a vassal state indefinately and this is the excuse. It is non-negotiable according to the EU - they were running scared of the Malthouse compromise. They have done everything in their power to overturn the result of the referendum. Boy, did Dave open a can of worms ...

 

[Johnny75]

Quite. Everybody who has a different viewpoint is talking bollocks. Guess that's why we supposedly have a democracy and systems to serve democracy ie referendums. Which is then ignored by those who don't like the result - those who say the leavers didn't know what they voted for. Clutching at straws has resulted in the current mess.

I wasn't questioning a view. I challenged a statement and as has been the case for the last 3 years people who want to leave have no substance to that statement. Much like the £350m statement was challenged and debunked.

Nobody has ignored the result of the referendum. People rightly want to know what the deal is to leave the EU.

Can you please stop saying people are ignoring the referendum and democracy. It isn't true and it's tiresome reading it.

 

[Papper]

The £350M and much of what would have been considered 'project fear' has been debunked although it's quite clear we pay more in than we get out which was the giste of that particular bollocks on the damned bus. Nethertheless I can't tell you what's right and wrong and neither you me - it is pure subjectivity. For weeks they were rattling on about this, that and the other and we all made a choice - a democratic choice.

We were quite aware it meant we would no longer be subject to EU Directives and ECJ jurisdiction and if you watch the link above we were aware it meant leaving the Single Market - both Dave and Gideon told us. Since that time there has been a mass refusal to accept the decision made and a complete fuck up by the clowns tasked with executing the mandate and renegotiating a new relationship within Europe.

 

[Kenny]

Conservatives
@Conservatives
Labour’s secret plans for Brexit will leave Britain more divided than ever.

We’ve got the video to prove it.

man that video must be a cracker...

I mean how can they even post shit like this when they have ripped the country apart

 

[Johnny75]

The £350M and much of what would have been considered 'project fear' has been debunked although it's quite clear we pay more in than we get out which was the giste of that particular bollocks on the damned bus. Nethertheless I can't tell you what's right and wrong and neither you me - it is pure subjectivity. For weeks they were rattling on about this, that and the other and we all made a choice - a democratic choice.

We were quite aware it meant we would no longer be subject to EU Directives and ECJ jurisdiction and if you watch the link above we were aware it meant leaving the Single Market - both Dave and Gideon told us. Since that time there has been a mass refusal to accept the decision made and a complete fuck up by the clowns tasked with executing the mandate and renegotiating a new relationship within Europe.

I can tell you categorically the £350m was wrong. I can also tell you that No deal wasn't on the ballot paper and that campaigners for the Leave vote said that leaving the single market wasn't an option. None of that is subjective, they are facts. You are doing what Arklo did earlier and making stuff up to suit your own view and when challenging dismissing it as democracy and 'it'll all get sorted when these fuckers aren't in charge anymore'.

You made a choice to leave the EU. You have absolutely no idea what this looked like when you voted, you had an idea but nobody had a plan.

NOBODY.

 

[Papper]

I can tell you categorically the £350m was wrong. I can also tell you that No deal wasn't on the ballot paper and that campaigners for the Leave vote said that leaving the single market wasn't an option. None of that is subjective, they are facts. You are doing what Arklo did earlier and making stuff up to suit your own view and when challenging dismissing it as democracy and 'it'll all get sorted when these fuckers aren't in charge anymore'.

You made a choice to leave the EU. You have absolutely no idea what this looked like when you voted, you had an idea but nobody had a plan.

NOBODY.

The £350M was debunked straight away but it is clear and evident that we pay more in than we get out.
There has been a mass failure to negotiate a new relationship therefore the default position of exiting the EU which we decided to do in 2016 is what will happen on 1st November. Nobody can predict the exact nature of the few years ahead - it is ridiculous to think along those lines - It is pure conjecture but we were aware of that. We were not lead into the referednum blindfold. Both Dave and Gideon said we would leave the Single market BEFORE the referendum - see the link above.
This was confirmed after the referendum by both the inept May and the twat Letwin. Now we have the clown closing down Parliament because himself and the other clowns refuse or do not have the acumen/inclination to sort the mess out. None of that is made up. Please don't tell me or the 17.4 million others we were not able to make as good a choice as YOU. The judgment is the result of the referendum 52-48 not me OR you.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

The 'Customs union' is a red herring, there could be a trade agreement without it. Furthermore it would be a great boost for both the Republic and The North of Ireland and would strengthen the historical bond between the two rather than weaken it as a hard border would.

I don't see how that solves the border problem.

If we didn't sign up to a customs union then I imagine every trade deal would be reliant on the UK conforming to EU standards and practices for whatever goods we wanted to trade. So you avoid a formal customs union but essentially still comply with isolated elements of it relating to certain goods.

If that's what came into being then you'd still need a hard border. You'd still need a means of checking what was entering the EU to make sure people weren't trying to pass through with loads of non-compliant goods that weren't included in the the trade deal.

The only way I can see you'd retain an open border is if the UK made a commitment to maintain EU standards so they knew nothing substandard could leach across to their side. I suppose you wouldn't formally have to call it a customs union if you'd didn't want to but the end result would be the same.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

So the UK has to remain part of the EU because otherwise the Irish will start killing each other again?

Nice to be a flippant cunt isnt it.

Well as half of them consider themselves British, you cant even get your fucking facts correct on this one.

 

[Papper]

I don't see how that solves the border problem.

If we didn't sign up to a customs union then I imagine every trade deal would be reliant on the UK conforming to EU standards and practices for whatever goods we wanted to trade. So you avoid a formal customs union but essentially still comply with isolated elements of it relating to certain goods.

If that's what came into being then you'd still need a hard border. You'd still need a means of checking what was entering the EU to make sure people weren't trying to pass through with loads of non-compliant goods that weren't included in the the trade deal.

The only way I can see you'd retain an open border is if the UK made a commitment to maintain EU standards so they knew nothing substandard could leach across to their side. I suppose you wouldn't formally have to call it a customs union if you'd didn't want to but the end result would be the same.

So what happens with other nations that are in the single market/customs union that border a country that isn't ? In all seriousness I can see it as an irritance more than something that can enflame the previous tensions. What specifically threatens the peace ?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It rides a horse and carriage right through a fundamental clause of the agreement that ended three decades of bloodshed.

 

[Papper]

Nice to be a flippant cunt isnt it.

Well as half of them consider themselves British, you cant even get your fucking facts correct on this one.

Perhaps I am a flippant cunt but as far as I am concerned it is not offensive to refer to those in the North of Ireland as Irish even if they have an allegience to the Queen and not the Pope ... if it is that's a new one on me and I stand corrected. In what way would EIRE being part of the EU and NI being out of the EU impact the peace process ?

 

[Papper]

It rides a horse and carriage right through a fundamental clause of the agreement that ended three decades of bloodshed.

Okay. But why would that be a catalyst for them to raise arms when both sides have said there will not be a hard border or physical checks?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Because the default option for no deal IS a hard border and physical checks.