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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

This is why Corbyn needs to fuck off.

It isn't what Labour voters want. Stop it.

[FONT=&quot]Thank you ...[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]First let me, on behalf of all ten of us on the South East England list for yesterday’s European Elections, say thank you for the hard work and support we received from Labour Party members across the region. Members do not have to work in elections, they are volunteers who do it because they believe it to be right. So thank you. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Second let me personally thank the other candidates on the list for their support, loyalty and enthusiasm in the face of very difficult circumstances. Your support was invaluable and you gave 100%. I very much hope the experience will reward you in years to come. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]... and Sorry[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Unfortunately both the other Labour candidates and party members deserved better in this election. They all deserve an apology.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Had Labour’s ‘high command’ set out to lose an election they could not have gone about it in a more convincing way. These elections were there to be won, that victory was squandered and a key opportunity to stake a claim as the party of government in waiting was lost. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Time after time Labour has approached elections to the European Parliament as an inconvenience and, in an approach symptomatic of the UK’s dysfunctional relationship with the EU, sought to fight on domestic issues - ‘vote Labour for the European Parliament to put more bobbies on the beat/save the NHS’, or some such implausible rot. This is nothing new. It happened under Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and now the current regime - in every case it was an insult to the intelligence of the voters and below par results followed as night follows day. It is simply not possible to fight a different election to the election on the ballot paper.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Labour’s NEC had plenty of warning, from MEPs, from polling data, from evidence of the last general election and from the local election results only three weeks ago, of the likely consequences of adopting an equivocal policy on Brexit not based on seeking to remain in the EU. Nonetheless come the NEC meeting to determine our election policy, what should have been a discussion about what were the best tactics to win an election became a skirmish in Labour’s internal war that ‘the leadership’ could not be seen to ‘lose’. From that point the die was cast. I and other Labour MEPs and MPs continued to receive right up to polling day messages from Labour members and supporters who intended to support other parties on 23 May. I received several hundred such messages - a lower proportion than many of my colleagues, but alarming nonetheless (I attempted to reply to everyone with a reasoned argument as to why this was a mistake - some I talked round, others not. I also received messages from some supporting ‘leave’ - but very few). [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]It isn’t that Labour’s message of ‘bringing the country together’ isn’t needed, simply that the country doesn’t seem ready to come together - Brexit is unfinished business. As such it was either phenomenally naive or utterly mendacious to put in place a policy that would knowingly lose votes in remarkable numbers. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]From there on the party machine sought to close down any deviation for the suicidal central message. In an unprecedented decision the General Secretary was appointed agent for the entire country. At all other EU election since regional lists were introduced Regional Directors have been agents. They managed the desire of CLPs to promote candidates and help win the elections. The spending limits for these elections are huge, easily capable of accommodating local activity aimed at enhancing the campaign. This time spurious legal grounds were used to clamp down on local activity and even additional union assistance. The much derided nationally produced leaflets which carried no mention of a ‘confirmatory vote’ were presented to MEPs as a fait accomplice that was “already at print” - this turned out to be untrue but it shows how the campaign was run. The eventual product was no better. While it was frustrating to be fighting an election with hands and feet bound and with Labour staff in apparent opposition it is not the fault of junior staff or middle managers - responsibility lies elsewhere.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Where from here?[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Labour has lost a great opportunity and, over the past year, a great many members. By failing to listen to its supporters in the country who are ever more heavily ‘remain’, to the overwhelming bulk of its members, to the majority of its MPs and MEPs the Party has brought on itself an electoral humiliation at a time when the Conservative party is woefully divided and manifestly incompetent in Government. An open goal has been missed. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]The absurd aspect of this is that Labour failed to capitalise on the credit it would otherwise have been due for fighting off May’s awful deal and backing a public vote with a whip and 84% of its MPs that it would otherwise have been given. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Sadly for may local parties who had spent time and effort since the days of the coalition removing the LibDems from their towns this campaign has allowed them back - not just into Conservative heartlands but to ours too - in particular to those ‘new’ heartland that produced such great numbers of Labour votes in 2017. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]It is unclear how Labour will move on and recover from this position. Whether or not we retain Labour representation in the European Parliament for South East England is far from clear. As for a General Election - I would say, not for the first time, be careful what you wish for.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]So once again I say thank you for the support I have received over the past two years. And apologies that you did not get the message or the campaign you deserved - it was not for the want of trying. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]I hope I will be able to continue to serve.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]All the best.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]John Howarth MEP[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]South East England
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Britain Elects predicting 24 seats for The Brexit Party. 0 for UKIP.

UKIP got 24 seats in 2014.

In which case, they have made literally no gains in five years. Just the same people voting for the same undefined thing.
 
What is the prediction for the 2nd Ref/ cancel Brexit parties in total.


Not inc Tories and Labour as it will be difficult to know what they got their votes for
 
15 Lib Dem, 4 Green, 2 SNP and 1 Plaid. So 22.

Also:

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So...tells us nothing. Amazed the Tories have kept some MEPs (if the prediction is correct of course)
 
34 seats for pro Brexit parties
22 for anti Brexit
14 for the who the fuck knows Party
 
24 "get us out now"
22 "cancel this absolute bullshit"
24 "meh, we don't know, we're old and we always vote for the same party. What's for tea?"

Good luck to the new PM. Unless it's you, McVey. I fucking hate you.
 
Did the man who tells it like it is unlike the mainstream media,Yaxley Lennon,tommeh Robinson get elected?
 
Results haven't been confirmed but as he stood as an Independent the exit polls would suggest not
 
Results from Leeds.

Labour votes to LibDems.

Brexit party votes from ukip and conservatives.
 
Results from Leeds.

Labour votes to LibDems.

Brexit party votes from ukip and conservatives.

Amazing innit.

"This is a ridiculous idea and you just aren't listening" to somewhere, anywhere else.

"I am a massive cunt and you won't do what I want" to someone who will offer unicorns.
 
The whole UKIP vote has moved to the new Farage vehicle. Trouble is, the split of votes between Lib Dems and Greens is leaving a clear run for Farage. ChangeUK is an irrelevance by the look of it.
 
But as I say, if UKIP (not just voting for Nigel Farage) had 24 seats and The Brexit Party (not just voting for Nigel Farage) had 0 seats in 2014, and that's just been 100% flipped in 2019, that's bad for them?

Because they've taken vast swathes of Tory Brexiters, but clearly lost people who aren't made of cured ham.
 
Election turn out:
West Midlands - 33.1%
Birmingham - 31.12%
Cannock Chase - 28.43%
Dudley 30.27%
Sandwell 27.93%
Shropshire - 39.08%
South Staffs - 33.24%
Stafford - 35.6%
Telford & Wrekin - 33.05%
Walsall - 28.72%
Wolverhampton - 28.76%
Wyre Forest - 32.58%
 
This will mean the Tories will move further to the right - PM Johnson. Momentum will continue to empower Corbyn to do fuck all though, when what the Party really needs is a remainer coup.
 
Lib dems seem to be taking Tory votes too in other declared areas. Remain votes haemorrhaging to them.
 
Wolverhampton (West Midlands) result:

Brex: 37.0% (+37.0)
Lab: 28.0% (-9.8)
LDem: 10.4% (+7.7)
Con: 9.1% (-8.4)
Grn: 7.2% (+3.7)
UKIP: 5.8% (-25.5)
 
Already outlined why Corbyn can fuck off.

No-one ever won the Grand National by riding two horses very badly at the same time.
 
Wolverhampton (West Midlands) result:

Brex: 37.0% (+37.0)
Lab: 28.0% (-9.8)
LDem: 10.4% (+7.7)
Con: 9.1% (-8.4)
Grn: 7.2% (+3.7)
UKIP: 5.8% (-25.5)

Yay, I don't live there!

(I live somewhere far older, more racist and far more likely to vote Brexit. Although a lot of them being 95 and only being able to vote Tory OR ELSE THEY'LL TAKE YOUR HOUSE might have an impact)
 
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