REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Penk Wolf]

Of course you need a plan. Not to have any contingency whether the result is in or out is an abdication of responsibility.

It doesn't need a plan at this point, it's not like the GE when something happens immediately after the vote. Nothing has changed since Wednesday in terms of being in the EU.

 

[Papper]

I'm finding this leave not having a plan quite amusing. Why would you have a plan before a project has even started? The 'project' started on Thursday and team needs setting up, timeline creating and then the finer details put into place.

If Thursday was the date for us to pull out of the EU I could understand the hysteria, but it's not it could be 2, 3 or even more years away.

+1

Busy few days for Dave.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It isn't Dave's job any more

 

[leedswolf]

It doesn't need a plan at this point, it's not like the GE when something happens immediately after the vote. Nothing has changed since Wednesday in terms of being in the EU.

Well, I would argue that things have massively changed. Perhaps the reaction in currency and commodities may give a subtle hint?

 

[lemonjelly]

Nimrod asks valid questions, you look for an atgument, there is a big diffetence.

Here is one for you.

What happens if you don't aquire enough votes in an election or referendum?

Did you vote in the referendum?

Did your side lose in the referendum?

Would you have accepted the result if you had won in the referendum?

I've asked valid questions, you've never answered them. You simply move goalposts.

I don't look for arguments, but you post so much shit, that it shouldn't be a surprise when you're picked up on it.

My reading of the exchange between you & nimrod (& I hope I'm not putting words in someone else's mouth) is that you evaded the question 4 or 5 times, and then nimrod made an exquisite point about your posting style and you left it.

I'm perfectly happy to debate, and be proven wrong. It happens all the time. But when someone acts the high and mighty cunt, fails to debate, moves the goal posts, and refuses to maintain the point and evades answering questions, as well as making shit up and so on, that isn't debating, that's purely being a prick. It is unnecessary.

 

[Papper]

Undemocratic or not, if you want access to the EU market you'll have to pay just as much as Norway which, per capita, is the same amount as Britain today.

And I believe that The City's passport will be revoked as soon as Britain leaves.

Not for the next two years we won't. The corporations like our money and I'm sure any trade negotiations will give us a positive edge in that respect.

 

[lemonjelly]

Nimrod and I drew a line. I answered the question, he doesn't accept my answer. We agreed to disagree.

You are doing your usual trick of trying to make an argument.

Why don't you join in the debate and say something about the result, or the future, instead of fishing for arguments all the time?

And yet again you deliberately don't answer the question.

 

[visage]

It doesn't need a plan at this point, it's not like the GE when something happens immediately after the vote. Nothing has changed since Wednesday in terms of being in the EU.

But that doesnt mean you cant have a plan for getting a plan. A roadmap that says 'This is what we'll do next and how we'll approach negotiating withdrawal'.

To just have deafening silence and a collective shrug is an abrogation of duty.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Well, I would argue that things have massively changed. Perhaps the reaction incurrency and commodities may give a subtle hint?

And if they had a plan the currency and commodities would have been different?

 

[Papper]

I've asked valid questions, you've never answered them. You simply move goalposts.

I don't look for arguments, but you post so much $#@!, that it shouldn't be a surprise when you're picked up on it.

My reading of the exchange between you & nimrod (& I hope I'm not putting words in someone else's mouth) is that you evaded the question 4 or 5 times, and then nimrod made an exquisite point about your posting style and you left it.

I'm perfectly happy to debate, and be proven wrong. It happens all the time. But when someone acts the high and mighty $#@!, fails to debate, moves the goal posts, and refuses to maintain the point and evades answering questions, as well as making $#@! up and so on, that isn't debating, that's purely being a prick. It is unnecessary.

Any chance somebody can create a separate squabble thread ???

 

[lemonjelly]

I'm genuinely interested - do you actually never answer a straight question someone puts to you?

Yes, i do. The Nimrod one is finished with. We both drew a line.

But you still haven't answered the question!

 

[Penk Wolf]

But that doesnt mean you cant have a plan for getting a plan. A roadmap that says 'This is what we'll do next and how we'll approach negotiating withdrawal'.

To just have deafening silence and a collective shrug is an abrogation of duty.

Yes, which is slightly different, but not the end of the World.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

And if they had a plan the currency and commodities would have been different?

Well they might actually come out with something reassuring.

But no, they haven't said a single sensible word since the result.

 

[Papper]

It isn't Dave's job any more

Well it is until September. He's off to Europe soon to discuss.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

He is briefing them for one day. We aren't invited to the second day as we no longer in the club.

Dave specifically has said someone else is doing the hard yards on this. He will do nothing on it until the new leader is in place, bar try and keep the economy stable.

Perhaps Boris could help, although I note he couldn't even be fucking arsed to attend today's debate on the matter.

 

[Tredman]

Bell Flow Systems UK?

distie for minol zenner, a german company, for heat meters. I know them quite well and used to sell to them at my old company.

 

[leedswolf]

And if they had a plan the currency and commodities would have been different?

It may help. I don't know too much about how markets and investments work, but I always hear the word 'confidence'. I must have misheard. Fortunately Mark Carney had a contingency. Pump a wad of money in.

 

[lemonjelly]

I'm finding this leave not having a plan quite amusing. Why would you have a plan before a project has even started? The 'project' started on Thursday and team needs setting up, timeline creating and then the finer details put into place.

If Thursday was the date for us to pull out of the EU I could understand the hysteria, but it's not it could be 2, 3 or even more years away.

Surely you'd need an exit strategy?

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

Not for the next two years we won't. The corporations like our money and I'm sure any trade negotiations will give us a positive edge in that respect.

If Europe goes easy on Britain they will be playing into Marine Le Pen's hands.

They wont do this, the threat is massive and you shouldn't underestimate it's importance. Remember, politicians will do whatever they can to remain in power.

Britain is now a competitor to the EU, Germany and France will have no qualms about being aggressive in their approach if they think it will do them any good. Any harm that might be done to EU companies trading with Britain will be looked at as collateral damage.

 

[Penk Wolf]

It may help. I don't know too much about how markets and investments work, but I always hear the word 'confidence'. I must have misheard. Fortunately Mark Carney had a contingency. Pump a wad of money in.

He hasn't pumped any money in.