REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[MARKakaJIM]

We just need a parliament vote, which would take 5 mins.

May can't guarantee the result of that vote though can she? As likely as that result might seem given the general pro-EU thoughts of MPs it's still out of her power to say at this moment in time that they definitely won't leave with no deal. Corbyn is asking for something that can't be provided before he even joins the table.

 

[Tredman]

May can't guarantee the result of that vote though can she? As likely as that result might seem given the general pro-EU thoughts of MPs it's still out of her power to say at this moment in time that they definitely won't leave with no deal. Corbyn is asking for something that can't be provided before he even joins the table.

She can guarantee she would hold a vote, which would be guaranteed to pass. Which is the same thing.

 

[Johnny75]

Yep. One of the first things Mrs Brexit in the office said this morning was that May offered to meet Corbyn but he refused. When I pointed out is was because she wouldn't take no deal off the table, she responded by saying 'well that's the closest to what the people voted for anyway'. Sigh.

This is fucked up thinking by you T-Dan.

Corbyn's a strategic pygmy for not meeting her. Vince cable said on Newsnight the exact same thing that if she wanted to discuss a 2nd vote and taking no deal off the table then they can have a discussion.

They had the discussion. He said it was short but that he was hopeful of movement.

Corbyn didn't even take the chance and that makes him look a cunt to everybody, regardless of how principled he is. If he wanted to take the initiative and subsequently the higher ground he could've scheduled a meeting for today. In doing so this doesn't allow her to give the 'Corbyn is the bad guy' part of her speech.

Instead he looks a complete cunt. I don't know who he's got advising him but they need sacking.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

She can guarantee she would hold a vote, which would be guaranteed to pass. Which is the same thing.

I wouldn't guarantee anything in this time of 'fuck the country, do what protects your party' politics.

As said earlier, they can agree to work towards doing everything possible to avoid no deal (such as guaranteeing a vote to revoke A50 if no other deal is forthcoming) and be adults about it or Corbyn can stamp his feet asking for something which can't be provided at his point and add his own nonsense red line on top of May's to further reinforcement the stalemate.

 

[SLA]

Doherty level of own goal by Corbs. He seems to have cleverly manoeuvered the Labour party into taking all the blame for the current crisis.

 

[Tredman]

I wouldn't guarantee anything in this time of 'fuck the country, do what protects your party' politics.

As said earlier, they can agree to work towards doing everything possible to avoid no deal (such as guaranteeing a vote to revoke A50 if no other deal is forthcoming) and be adults about it or Corbyn can stamp his feet asking for something which can't be provided at his point and add his own nonsense red line on top of May's to further reinforcement the stalemate.

Not a Corbyn fan, but all parties have said no deal needs to be off the table. It is completely sensible and, semantics aside, entirely within May's ability to grant.

 

[Tredman]

Doherty level of own goal by Corbs. He seems to have cleverly manoeuvered the Labour party into taking all the blame for the current crisis.

That's just the take from the Mail and friends.

He's right, no sane person should ever consider no deal, it must be the first precondition to any discussion.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Not a Corbyn fan, but all parties have said no deal needs to be off the table. It is completely sensible and, semantics aside, entirely within May's ability to grant.

She can grant a vote, not the outcome of it, however confidently anyone might predict that result it's never a given.

Everyone else might have said it needs to be off the table too, but that haven't completely refused any dialogue on the back of that point have they?

He's just playing games like he has been for months with Brexit.

 

[Johnny75]

He's right, no sane person should ever consider no deal, it must be the first precondition to any discussion.

That's a stupid stance to take.

It makes you look a cunt and puts you on the defensive, which is what he's done. Why would you want to do that when you have a majority in the house for what you want to get through?

Stupidity on an epic scale.

 

[Tredman]

She can grant a vote, not the outcome of it, however confidently anyone might predict that result it's never a given.

Sigh, feel free to argue about nothing all day long. Yes she and he can guarantee the outcome, its pretty obvious there is a massive consensus in parliament against no deal - guarantee a vote and it would probably be a majority of 400+ against no deal

Everyone else might have said it needs to be off the table too, but that haven't completely refused any dialogue on the back of that point have they?

He's just playing games like he has been for months with Brexit.

Yes they have - said they will say Hi please take no deal off table.

Don't really get the need to blame Corbyn for everything, he is literally trying to stop people dying by saying no deal should not be countenanced.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

This is fucked up thinking by you T-Dan.

Corbyn's a strategic pygmy for not meeting her. Vince cable said on Newsnight the exact same thing that if she wanted to discuss a 2nd vote and taking no deal off the table then they can have a discussion.

They had the discussion. He said it was short but that he was hopeful of movement.

Corbyn didn't even take the chance and that makes him look a cunt to everybody, regardless of how principled he is. If he wanted to take the initiative and subsequently the higher ground he could've scheduled a meeting for today. In doing so this doesn't allow her to give the 'Corbyn is the bad guy' part of her speech.

Instead he looks a complete cunt. I don't know who he's got advising him but they need sacking.

It was probably more a case of me not making my point very well. I was just trying to prove Sniffer's point that all people will see this morning is that Corbyn refused the meeting rather than why he refused it. I wasn't trying to imply it was a good strategy by Corbyn (although no deal should be ruled out IMO). I agree that the whole thing makes him look like a bit of a dick (as has most of his handling of Brexit).

 

[Tredman]

Shall we pile on Sturgeon too?

 

[Johnny75]

She can grant a vote, not the outcome of it, however confidently anyone might predict that result it's never a given.

Everyone else might have said it needs to be off the table too, but that haven't completely refused any dialogue on the back of that point have they?

He's just playing games like he has been for months with Brexit.

I'm pretty sure Parliament has already said there is a majority for not accepting 'no deal' But you are right she can't guarantee no deal as the Independent says here.

 

[Johnny75]

Shall we pile on Sturgeon too?

Mark is right, she can't rule out 'no deal'. She can only promise to give a vote but if the BBC tweet is true then she has lied to parliament and the people on that podium last night.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Mark is right, she can't rule out 'no deal'. She can only promise to give a vote but if the BBC tweet is true then she has lied to parliament and the people on that podium last night.

Imagine, eh.

 

[Del Woppio]

I'm sure I read that revoking A50 does need to be done in good faith regarding to stay in; i.e. Not just banging it through and then setting it off again shortly afterwards just to give more time.

 

[Johnny75]

Shall we pile on Sturgeon too?

My favourite response was 'Schrödinger’s table?'

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'm sure I read that revoking A50 does need to be done in good faith regarding to stay in; i.e. Not just banging it through and then setting it off again shortly afterwards just to give more time.

If you can't sort anything at all out in 33 months, the likelihood of it ever being sorted out is very low.

So that's the line they'd have to go with. We tried (badly), we couldn't get anything done, crashing out would seriously hurt everyone except disaster capitalists so it's cancelled, at least in the short to medium term. And if that hurts them at the ballot box, so be it. You would expect it in normal circumstances if a Government had a flagship policy around which everything was based and it totally failed to even get off the ground.

But y'know, Tories, party vs country and all that.

 

[visage]

Corbyn has spent his entire adult life talking with despicable cunts - the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah etc - all justified by his mantra that dialogue to bring about peace involves talking to people you disagree with. But now he's refusing to speak with May because she wont guarantee something that's not in her power to prevent?

He's a fucking fraud, a shit politician, and an appalling leader.

 

[Tredman]

I'm sure I read that revoking A50 does need to be done in good faith regarding to stay in; i.e. Not just banging it through and then setting it off again shortly afterwards just to give more time.

Meh, our one failing with EU is sometimes acting too much in good faith sometimes. The French and Italian budget deficits certainly aren't in good faith.

Sometimes you have to do what you can do.