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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Laura Kuenssberg
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@bbclaurak
‘She’s deluded. She never changes her mind and cannot conceive others might. Or they may not agree with her.’ - ouch, from one former minister who used to stand up for May
 
I'm loving it.
May's deal without the 'backstop' or leave with a WTO deal.
Sick of hearing about trade. That should be simple to negotiate.
Sovereignty. Control of borders. No control from ECJ. Elected politicians, who can be voted out. Democracy basically. That's what people voted for.
Corbyn should be the one facing a vote of confidence. He's a zombie leader. Worse than Kinnock.
 
The EU is more democratic than Britain.
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Wonder if sometime in the near future we will have to go to some kind of PR....can't see either of the 2 main parties getting a majority any time soon
 
arklowolf said:
I'm loving it.
May's deal without the 'backstop' or leave with a WTO deal.
Sick of hearing about trade. That should be simple to negotiate.
Sovereignty. Control of borders. No control from ECJ. Elected politicians, who can be voted out. Democracy basically. That's what people voted for.
Corbyn should be the one facing a vote of confidence. He's a zombie leader. Worse than Kinnock.
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Another fucking Brexiteer "sick of hearing about" it. Jesus fucking wept.
 
It's not his fault he doesn't know what he is talking about, doesn't have the ability to research it, and doesn't live here. It's standard for the brexiter.
 
Sniffer Grouse said:
I think your right Paddy but we are engaged in the subject. Folk will see the news tonight/right wing rags tomorrow see that Corbyn won't meet May and it will go straight into their heads that he isn't trying to deal with her.
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Yep. One of the first things Mrs Brexit in the office said this morning was that May offered to meet Corbyn but he refused. When I pointed out is was because she wouldn't take no deal off the table, she responded by saying 'well that's the closest to what the people voted for anyway'. Sigh.
 
I quite liked the comment from Laura Kuennsberg about May continuing to "flick the Vs at the 48%".
 
Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
Yep. One of the first things Mrs Brexit in the office said this morning was that May offered to meet Corbyn but he refused. When I pointed out is was because she wouldn't take no deal off the table, she responded by saying 'well that's the closest to what the people voted for anyway'. Sigh.
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How can she take no deal off the table?
 
So all the opposition parties that have met the T-Bag have said they want a second referendum.

Corbyn has said rule out no-deal or we can't even talk, and we know from McDonnell that the next route after trying to get a general election for Labour is to push for a second referendum.

What they all (and especially Corbyn) need to be doing is putting out feelers to the Remainer Conservatives and try and get them onside for backing a motion for a second referendum. If he is able to see he has the numbers (taking into account nutjobs like Hoey in his own ranks) then he simply HAS to put that motion and get it passed. Only way out of the impasse.
 
Aye, European Court confirmed we can unilaterally withdraw A50 anytime we want.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Good question. The only certain way would be by agreeing to revoke Article 50 on 28 March if no deal were to be agreed before then
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Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
By saying it's not an option. All she needs to do is confirm that if no agreement can be reached then article 50 will be extended/revoked to allow more time to agree a deal.
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Well extension needs EU approval I think, are they like to agree to that? Either way it's not something May alone can guarantee right now to get Corbyn to the table is it?

Not sure where revoking it stands either, can she just push that button herself or would that need to be voted on before being undertaken, if the latter then what if the vote didn't win? That could be especially troublesome if it was left until last minute and then you just crash out with no time to do anything else.

I don't see that it can be definitively ruled out, not at this stage either, so he needs to suck it up and get his head in the game, make some agreement to work towards avoiding no deal exit at all costs or something rather than sit there with his fingers in his ears waiting for a promise that possibly can't be made at this point.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Well extension needs EU approval I think, are they like to agree to that? Either way it's not something May alone can guarantee right now to get Corbyn to the table is it?

Not sure where revoking it stands either, can she just push that button herself or would that need to be voted on before being undertaken, if the latter then what if the vote didn't win? That could be especially troublesome if it was left until last minute and then you just crash out with no time to do anything else.

I don't see that it can be definitively ruled out, not at this stage either, so he needs to suck it up and get his head in the game, make some agreement to work towards avoiding no deal exit at all costs or something rather than sit there with his fingers in his ears waiting for a promise that possibly can't be made at this point.
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We coudl just withdraw it:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...european-justice-ruling-verdict-a8666016.html

And bang it in again to reset the clock if we were that stupid.
 
Extension does need approval. That nice little court case that almost went under the radar means revocation doesn't.
 
We just need a parliament vote, which would take 5 mins.
 
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