REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Paddingtonwolf]

How anyone can have the slightest sympathy for that incompetent is beyond me. Deliberately wasting time on a tight clock in the hope that the other side will crack is not good politics.

She bluffed with six high and got called.

 

[Johnny75]

I agree with that, their attitude irrespective of where you sit personally on Brexit plays into the hands of the right leaning press.

Unless they soften their position they are facing up to achieving one of their best and worse case outcomes of remain and no deal. No deal still damages and inconveniences them, not as much as us obviously, but nevertheless they'll want to avoid if possible. They now need to decide how much they want to risk the chances of the worst case to get the best.

If you and I can see this why are they doing this? With Germany now in recession and Italy in the shit Tusk, Barnier and the drunk need to be a little less arrogant and try to get the UK back in the fold. Appeal to remainers and those Brexiteers that are on the fence and throw an olive branch out to the Lib Dems and Labour MP's what can happen if we revoke A50. We can still have huge presence in the EU Parliament if we want to.

At the moment their hubris will be their own undoing.

 

[SLA]

This is Barnier: “I would like to remind you that your parliament, and unanimously the European council, have always said that if the UK chooses to shift its red lines in the future, and it makes that choice, a choice to be ambitious, and go beyond a simple free trade agreement, which would be quite something, then the European Union will be immediately ready to go hand in hand with that development and to give a favourable response.”

So, it's Tresemme's red lines that are the issue really.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I agree with this. The cunts that voted for this mess are now moaning on every level that they're bored of it. Total cunts.

To be fair, that’s probably because they are happy to leave with a No Deal, which could have happened a long time ago.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

People who are primarily not politically engaged do not understand what No Deal is. They think it's "everything stays as it is but we don't pay £39bn to Johnny Foreigner".

 

[Penk Wolf]

There seems to be a lot of people who are politically engaged that don’t understand it either.

 

[Johnny75]

There seems to be a lot of people who are politically engaged that don’t understand it either.

And this is why the decisions are too big for one party. It should be cross party from now on and always should've been from the start.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Something has to give. I'd prefer to remain or at least kick the can down the road for a bit longer. The EU may hold the cards but their stance is hardening Brexiteers resolve and painting themselves in a bad light.

The EU need to show some sort of humility here rather than what is coming across as gloating.

In fairness, and you wont like this much, I said exactly this 12 months ago and all thats happened is delaying nonsense and an unnecessary overblown pissing contest.The UK cannot be unduly punished for leaving or having the gall to leave albeit that the "terms and conditions" for leaving should have been far clearer.

I completely agree with the post about it being cross party. Last night it was incredible that there were points that Alistair Campbell and Nigel Farage were in agreement! Never thought I would use that sentence. There are compromising minds on all sides and together they can get a suitable outcome for all, but in no way can that happen by March 29th so all sides need to suvck it up and retract arcticale 50. Time is required to get this right and not be a "war of the roses" type divorce case.

Regardless of whether it ends up remain or leave in the long term time is required to effectively define those options.

 

[SLA]

I still don't understand the argument that we're in some way being punished by the EU. It's a rules-based organisation that is following its rules. This mess is *entirely* on the UK for voting to leave, and more specifically for Theresa May and her negotiating teams for their hubris, arrogance and complete lack of understanding of the modern world.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I still don't understand the argument that we're in some way being punished by the EU. It's a rules-based organisation that is following its rules. This mess is *entirely* on the UK for voting to leave, and more specifically for Theresa May and her negotiating teams for their hubris, arrogance and complete lack of understanding of the modern world.

They are currently doing trade deals with other Countries which would pretty much suit us down to the ground.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

And we could benefit from those by, hey, being a member of the EU.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

They are currently doing trade deals with other Countries which would pretty much suit us down to the ground.

"They" still includes us at the moment.

We didn't have to walk away from all that, we chose to.

 

[SLA]

They are currently doing trade deals with other Countries which would pretty much suit us down to the ground.

you mean they're working together for the benefit of the collective group? That sounds ace, we should totally try to get in on some of that action.

 

[Penk Wolf]

you mean they're working together for the benefit of the collective group? That sounds ace, we should totally try to get in on some of that action.

No, I was answering your question.

 

[SLA]

No, I was answering your question.

I didn't ask a question.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I didn't ask a question.

I was trying to help with your misunderstanding then...

 

[SLA]

I was trying to help with your misunderstanding then...

Thanks. I'm still none the wiser though. How is the EU signing trade deals with other countries in some way punishing us? a) We're still part of the EU and so benefit from the deals for the length of time we remain so. B) The implication is that they should be signing similar deals with us - how can they do that when we're still a member and in no position to sign any such deal?

Or have I misunderstood your point?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Thanks. I'm still none the wiser though. How is the EU signing trade deals with other countries in some way punishing us? a) We're still part of the EU and so benefit from the deals for the length of time we remain so. B) The implication is that they should be signing similar deals with us - how can they do that when we're still a member and in no position to sign any such deal?

Or have I misunderstood your point?

So............... during Mays negotiations were the UK offered deals on the same terms as are being offered to non eu members currently?

(clue the answer is no and I think thats his point, as regards the EU being punitive. They were. )

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Why would we automatically get the same deal as say, Japan have with the EU?

Our economy is nothing like theirs.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The other thing is that Japan didn't come to the negotiating table with our set of nonsensical red lines.