REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Paddingtonwolf]

Was Guy Fawkes really that wrong ??

He just couldn't find the matches in time.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Well debated. Park Iraq, I've made my thoughts clear on that and didn't vote Labour in 2005.

He is the only Labour Prime Minster to be elected in the last 44 years. I get that his Government was centre left, but the investment in hospitals and schools both in terms of staff and infrastructure, the introduction of the minimum wage, gift aid, winter fuel payments for pensioners, child tax credit for working parents, animal welfare reforms. All delivered under Blair. You can sit on your ideological high horse, but in doing so you would have had another decade+ of Tory Government and Tory policy, which would still have involved the Iraq invasion

Blair for all his faults makes all the current party leaders look like muddling amateurs.

This is a huge opportunity for someone somewhere to rise up and be the leader the country needs. It is ready to follow. Who will it be?

 

[Tony Towner]

Agreed. Starmer would actually be decent now.

I think the two big parties will have new leaders in a matter of months.

No chance the Labour membership as they are now give up on Corbyn unless he walks

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Was Guy Fawkes really that wrong ??

People took the piss when I said that! Last person to enter parliament with honest intention

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's where she collapsed on her strategy, this was in her 'no deal is better than a bad deal phase' that nobody believed in. She then evolved to her 'any deal is better than no deal' phase.

At no point has she tried to engage with Remainers, either within Parliament or the 48% who voted that way. Clearly the whole concept of Brexit is stupid but the way she has dealt with it has been mind-bogglingly bad on every level. Unsurprisingly really as she has always been a nasty, vindictive shit of a person and is also pretty thick.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

No chance the Labour membership as they are now give up on Corbyn unless he walks

They will if he backs Brexit in a GE.

 

[Tony Towner]

They will if he backs Brexit in a GE.

He already has.

 

[Sniffer]

No chance the Labour membership as they are now give up on Corbyn unless he walks

Correct and that only happens if he loses a general election.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Now there's the rub, as the bard did say.

I am not convinced there are any great statesmen or women left apart from the grandees like Clarke who are clearly yesterday's politicians. You just can't have the father of the house as a leader. I really don't see an alternative Conservative leader at the moment that could do anything positive. Grieve? Letwin? Surely not.

Regarding Labour - Umunna maybe? But I doubt he will get huge support.

I am beginning to wonder if this shitfest could actually see splits within both of the main parties and an era of five party politics and coalitions everywhere. I cannot, for instance see the Conservatives coming together, and this also could see a split between Momentum and Blairite wings of Labour.

What a fucking mess.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Daily Express website is entertaining.

I think they have just turned massively against May.

 

[Templeton Peck]

No chance the Labour membership as they are now give up on Corbyn unless he walks

Members are overwhelmingly Remain but also supportive of Corbyn's approach thus far.

Any eventual successor would have to come from the left of the party to have any hope of winning.

 

[Johnny75]

Members are overwhelmingly Remain but also supportive of Corbyn's approach thus far.

Any eventual successor would have to come from the left of the party to have any hope of winning.

Any far left politician will lose a GE.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Daily Express website is entertaining.

I think they have just turned massively against May.

Front page is still fawning nonsense.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Just saw that on the Beeb website. Fucking idiots. It's dead you Cunts. Get over it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's like having a football manager who's lost five games in a row 10-0, mostly due to their awful tactics, game management, discipline and selections, they've also slagged off the crowd relentlessly along the way, and then someone says "you've got to get behind them".

Nah, you're ok. If you want genuine unity (even in the short term) then you need a unity candidate and that is not it. Awful woman.

 

[Tony Towner]

The EU have said that that the UK needs to tell them what they do want. Do you think "everything we had before without giving the money or having the foreigners" will work?

 

[Johnny75]

The EU have said that that the UK needs to tell them what they do want. Do you think "everything we had before without giving the money or having the foreigners" will work?

Something has to give. I'd prefer to remain or at least kick the can down the road for a bit longer. The EU may hold the cards but their stance is hardening Brexiteers resolve and painting themselves in a bad light.

The EU need to show some sort of humility here rather than what is coming across as gloating.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

The amount of people at my work who still feel sorry for May is staggering. 'It's not her fault she was left in a bad situation by Cameron...' Erm, yes it is her fault for being such a cunt about the whole thing since she took over. Apparently Corbyn is much, much worse because 'he looks like he needs a wash'.

Oh, and the stupid woman in the office can fuck off with saying 'I'm sick of hearing about it now' every single time somebody mentions Brexit. If you didn't want to hear about it then you shouldn't have fucking voted for it in the first place!

 

[Johnny75]

Oh, and the stupid woman in the office can fuck off with saying 'I'm sick of hearing about it now' every single time somebody mentions Brexit. If you didn't want to hear about it then you shouldn't have fucking voted for it in the first place!

I agree with this. The cunts that voted for this mess are now moaning on every level that they're bored of it. Total cunts.

 

[Tony Towner]

Something has to give. I'd prefer to remain or at least kick the can down the road for a bit longer. The EU may hold the cards but their stance is hardening Brexiteers resolve and painting themselves in a bad light.

The EU need to show some sort of humility here rather than what is coming across as gloating.

I agree with that, their attitude irrespective of where you sit personally on Brexit plays into the hands of the right leaning press.

Unless they soften their position they are facing up to achieving one of their best and worse case outcomes of remain and no deal. No deal still damages and inconveniences them, not as much as us obviously, but nevertheless they'll want to avoid if possible. They now need to decide how much they want to risk the chances of the worst case to get the best.