REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Penk Wolf]

Okay then. I have no idea about the veracity of the study at all.

Debunk it, put up a counter argument. Dispute the figures. Anything really.

Yawn smilies is a really engaging input. It is a bit head in the sand isn't it? A bit like Rees-Mogg disputing anything like this as "project fear".

I have done about 100 times, trying to predict the future is pointless, as there are far too many variables. It could well be down 50% or even up 50% NOBODY knows.

I know a lot of companies are looking to improve processes, automate, etc. Would they have been looking at it if the resources were there?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But isn't looking at processes and pushing for automation suggesting that the workforce won't be there?

 

[Penk Wolf]

But isn't looking at processes and pushing for automation suggesting that the workforce won't be there?

Exactly. Companies are looking to do more work with less employees, so the chances are their turnover will go up not down.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

In some sectors that will work for sure. Trouble is, unemployment would go up and that has an effect on the country finances too. The benefit bill rises.

On top of that, increasing turnover is one thing. But you do still have to sell the product and that is where I am concerned about how the tariff situation plays out in the medium term. It is vital that British business stays competitive, so those trade deals are going to be devil in the detail stuff.

 

[Penk Wolf]

In some sectors that will work for sure. Trouble is, unemployment would go up and that has an effect on the country finances too. The benefit bill rises.

On top of that, increasing turnover is one thing. But you do still have to sell the product and that is where I am concerned about how the tariff situation plays out in the medium term. It is vital that British business stays competitive, so those trade deals are going to be devil in the detail stuff.

I don't disagree. Even with just mine and your scenario it shows that there are too many variables to try and predict the future.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I get that, but then you have certaintyof what we have now versus "fuck knows what, could be good, could be bad".

It just strikes me as an act of blind faith to move from the safe current position when offered that choice.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I get that, but then you have certaintyof what we have now versus "fuck knows what, could be good, could be bad".

It just strikes me as an act of blind faith to move from the safe current position when offered that choice.

As you know, I'd rather stay in, I just try to put a bit of balance to the discussions on here as it is very heavy leaning to remain and we're all doomed. On Twitter I'm usually arguing against Brexiters and their 'everything will be great once we leave' stance.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

In some sectors that will work for sure. Trouble is, unemployment would go up and that has an effect on the country finances too. The benefit bill rises.

On top of that, increasing turnover is one thing. But you do still have to sell the product and that is where I am concerned about how the tariff situation plays out in the medium term. It is vital that British business stays competitive, so those trade deals are going to be devil in the detail stuff.

Of course maybe the population will decrease as some people choose to use their dual citizenship or EU citizenship and move to Europe?

I am not assuming everything will be great once we leave but I also dont see 4 horsemen heading our way anytime soon. Beside, passport control in Ireland would stop them :surrender:

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

And that is supposed to be a GOOD THING is it?

I strangely am going to take a fair bit of convincing that "hoping the buggers move back" is a good policy, a correct policy, even a morally decent policy.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

I'm really tempted to ask for this for Christmas:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fingerprin...sr=8-4&keywords=don't+blame+me+I+voted+remain

As the only Remainer at work surrounded by Brexiters, I know it will annoy them every time they make me a drink.

This was the last mug for work I was given as a Christmas present:

https://holyflaps.co.uk/shop/large-bone-china-i-have-the-patience-of-a-saint-mug/

My work colleagues were actually offended by the swearing :icon_lol:

 

[Deleted Cyber]

And that is supposed to be a GOOD THING is it?

I strangely am going to take a fair bit of convincing that "hoping the buggers move back" is a good policy, a correct policy, even a morally decent policy.

But it is happening as net immigration is now at pre 2012 levels. That will only increase as people from Europe make a choice to stay in a post EU UK or move, and it will be a choice. No-one has said anything about send the buggers back. As the pound value falls our wages are not as attractive. Less people here mean more vacancies. More vacancies make them harder to fill which generally mean increased wages. Again just adding factual balance.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I'm really tempted to ask for this for Christmas:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fingerprin...sr=8-4&keywords=don't+blame+me+I+voted+remain

As the only Remainer at work surrounded by Brexiters, I know it will annoy them every time they make me a drink.

This was the last mug for work I was given as a Christmas present:

https://holyflaps.co.uk/shop/large-bone-china-i-have-the-patience-of-a-saint-mug/

My work colleagues were actually offended by the swearing :icon_lol:

That mug wont see out the festive season at your place. It will meet with an accident.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

And that is supposed to be a GOOD THING is it?

I strangely am going to take a fair bit of convincing that "hoping the buggers move back" is a good policy, a correct policy, even a morally decent policy.[/QUOTE)

But it is happening as net immigration is now at pre 2012 levels. That will only increase as people from Europe make a choice to stay in a post EU UK or move, and it will be a choice. No-one has said anything about send the buggers back. As the pound value falls our wages are not as attractive. Less people here mean more vacancies. More vacancies make them harder to fill which generally mean increased wages. Again just adding factual balance.

No you are just adding your own spin to your idea that we would have fewer jobs here but that would be okay because fewer of those furrin types were likely to be here taking them up.

Like a typed version of the band from Phoenix Nights.

 

[Tom Hark]

What do people think of Norway plus? I would not unhappily accept this as a compromise/escape route to this clusterfuck. Some apparently neutral info here and, possibly more biased, here. Might even be better than no Brexit, given how weak our status would be if we were to remain after all this bollocks?

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Why do we keep adding 'plus' on the end of it (or 'plus plus plus' as I heard some cunt on the news say yesterday)?

Are we just presuming we are automatically entitled to a better deal than countries like Norway because we are the UK and we're fucking ace?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Any agreement on the Norway idea rather depends on being allowed to negotiate again.

Which has been made categorically clear by both sides is not on the table.

 

[Keef]

Why do we keep adding 'plus' on the end of it (or 'plus plus plus' as I heard some cunt on the news say yesterday)?

Are we just presuming we are automatically entitled to a better deal than countries like Norway because we are the UK and we're fucking ace?

It's like a Switzerland thing as well,their flag is a big plus as well
Yes,is the answer to the second bit,and we'll have blue passports as well

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I'm still struggling with cyber's idea

Yes, the pound is likely to fall. And this is likely to be combined with imported goods being more expensive to buy and in all likelihood tariffs on our exports making our businesses less competitive. But the plus side is that there is going to be hardship, and this will encourage those that don't like it to make a choice to leave, and this will then leave those that stay with more wages to divvy up leading to a rise in overall wage levels at some point in the future.

That all sounds rather too much like Zimbabwe when the Zanu-PF took over.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Why do we keep adding 'plus' on the end of it (or 'plus plus plus' as I heard some cunt on the news say yesterday)?

Are we just presuming we are automatically entitled to a better deal than countries like Norway because we are the UK and we're fucking ace?

It's like a Switzerland thing as well,their flag is a big plus as well
Yes,is the answer to the second bit,and we'll have blue passports as well

Or possibly because our GDP is 2,850 billion against Norway's being 523 billion?

 

[SLA]

I think Tony Towner mentioned that £ is unlikely to fall much further than it already has due to this already having been priced in. I think that's probably right. You'd expect it to have been pretty volatile in the last week or so what with it all being such a clusterfuck but, against the Euro at least, it's been fairly static around the €1.13 mark. Might be wrong of course.