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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Keef said:
Not if there's no farms left because they've all gone because it's not profitable without subsidies
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Isn't that a socialist wet dream? Nobody earns profits and in fact nobody needs money, ever.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Without tarrifs?

So the EU pays British farmers to not produce food or grain as the EU over produces food. Well that's good news for us then as they can produce for the UK and make it a little cheaper and reduce imports post Brexit then?
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Generally avoid posting on this thread but as I had 9 years of experience in distributing CAP subsidies I couldn't help but point out this is fallacy and the method of paying farmers to produce 1 crop over an other or not to produce at all has not been in the subsidy world for at least 14 years.

CAP subsidies have the most impact on our moorland farmers, who effectively receive enough to keep their heads above water.
 
Aikiwolf said:
Generally avoid posting on this thread but as I had 9 years of experience in distributing CAP subsidies I couldn't help but point out this is fallacy and the method of paying farmers to produce 1 crop over an other or not to produce at all has not been in the subsidy world for at least 14 years.

CAP subsidies have the most impact on our moorland farmers, who effectively receive enough to keep their heads above water.
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Can you not do again then please. This isn't the thread for people to post their knowledgeable evidence based facts.
 
Tony Towner said:
Can you not do again then please. This isn't the thread for people to post their knowledgeable evidence based facts.
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Apologies! How about I just repeat the same point ad nauseum for the next 6 pages? That might be more fitting!
 
Farm income is generally made up of four key areas: the Single Payment Scheme, agriculture, agri-environment, and diversification. The Single Payment is an EU payment distributed by the UK Government. Agriculture covers income generated through crops and livestock. Agri-environment is generally land management which benefits the environment, woodland planting being a common example. Farmers taking part in such a scheme can expect to receive compensation from the Government for lost income from land that has been put to environmental use rather than commercial. Finally, diversification covers activities that farmers may undertake to generate additional income

So the EU pays farmers not to use land. Sorry wont post any facts again.
 
No - it pays them to sometimes use the land for environmental benefits because that land would then have no commercial yield.
 
You'd think the diversification part could overlap with the environmental part and help to reduce those payments. Producing crops or other products that aren't as damaging to the natural environment as mainstream farming but then again I suppose those products potentially aren't as useful/beneficial otherwise they'd be more commonplace already.

I know it's not going to feed families in the same way as a field of wheat would but your 'environmental' land could easily be the engine house for producing something like honey to bring in income for the farmer.
 
In parts of France and Italy, they quite often get a yield through woodland from truffles. Obviously not possible here.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Farm income is generally made up of four key areas: the Single Payment Scheme, agriculture, agri-environment, and diversification. The Single Payment is an EU payment distributed by the UK Government. Agriculture covers income generated through crops and livestock. Agri-environment is generally land management which benefits the environment, woodland planting being a common example. Farmers taking part in such a scheme can expect to receive compensation from the Government for lost income from land that has been put to environmental use rather than commercial. Finally, diversification covers activities that farmers may undertake to generate additional income

So the EU pays farmers not to use land. Sorry wont post any facts again.
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Yes, such lucrative areas such as a hedgerow. You know, the things that would have helped stop the dustbowls in America...
 
There's got to be ways and means to make money through more sympathetic farming methods.

I guess at the moment with the small margins in mainstream commercial methods and subsidies for things like preserving natural habitat then there perhaps isn't the incentive to gamble on doing anything too out of the ordinary, if you're getting by and you know that situation is likely to continue indefinitely then why risk it all on something that might not work out? If however the situation starts to look more bleak, as I'm sure as loss of EU money would, then perhaps that gamble becomes more compelling? If you know it's all likely to come crashing down around you in coming years then do you take the plunge with your last few years of profit to try and make a go of something different while there is still a little bit of cash to spend rather than just let it all slowly crumble away to nothing.

Could you do something with game perhaps? Reared in a more natural environment, obviously a much smaller market for it than commercial livestock but perhaps costs are significantly lower too with less intensive land management required, something like deer could perhaps attract a tourist-y side income opening up some of the land for the public, hunting (not that I'm really a fan of it) could also be another income stream if you went down that route and may provide a double benefit in saving costs at the abattoir?

It's difficult but there has to be some way to both preserve land in a more natural state and reap some sort of usefulness from it.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
There's got to be ways and means to make money through more sympathetic farming methods.

I guess at the moment with the small margins in mainstream commercial methods and subsidies for things like preserving natural habitat then there perhaps isn't the incentive to gamble on doing anything too out of the ordinary, if you're getting by and you know that situation is likely to continue indefinitely then why risk it all on something that might not work out? If however the situation starts to look more bleak, as I'm sure as loss of EU money would, then perhaps that gamble becomes more compelling? If you know it's all likely to come crashing down around you in coming years then do you take the plunge with your last few years of profit to try and make a go of something different while there is still a little bit of cash to spend rather than just let it all slowly crumble away to nothing.

Could you do something with game perhaps? Reared in a more natural environment, obviously a much smaller market for it than commercial livestock but perhaps costs are significantly lower too with less intensive land management required, something like deer could perhaps attract a tourist-y side income opening up some of the land for the public, hunting (not that I'm really a fan of it) could also be another income stream if you went down that route and may provide a double benefit in saving costs at the abattoir?

It's difficult but there has to be some way to both preserve land in a more natural state and reap some sort of usefulness from it.
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All good points and not much I would argue against however the challenges our farming industry have globally are the lower standards of food production other countries have, such as the chlorinated chickens from the US or highly intensive farmed animals with heavy loads of antibiotics and growth hormones.

Also, other countries provide subsidies, the USA pump around 20 billion dollars and we need to remain competitive from this perspective.
 
You are pointing out one small fact and hanging a massive argument on it to try and point score against someone who worked in the field for a decade.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
You are pointing out one small fact and hanging a massive argument on it to try and point score against someone who worked in the field for a decade.
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Brexiteers thinking they know better than those that work in the industry? Isn't that pretty much how the Leave campaign worked? Except with added lies, false promises of magic unicorns and help from right wing American think tanks and dodgy Russian money.
 
Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
Brexiteers thinking they know better than those that work in the industry? Isn't that pretty much how the Leave campaign worked? Except with added lies, false promises of magic unicorns and help from right wing American think tanks and dodgy Russian money alledgedly .
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FIFY Proven facts only on this thread please. You cant have it both ways.
 
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