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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Who knows - but the party line on this vote is against.

Those figures make it absolutely clear that the vote is lost for May, and by a huge margin. She'll have to resign at that point.
 
They have their 6 Tests which are in unicorns and rainbows land. The question is whether that's to deliberately vote Brexit down because the deal we do have isn't in the national interest, whilst looking to leavers that they were in favour of leaving on the correct terms, or whether they are deluded incompetents.
 
Tony Towner said:
They have their 6 Tests which are in unicorns and rainbows land. The question is whether that's to deliberately vote Brexit down because the deal we do have isn't in the national interest, whilst looking to leavers that they were in favour of leaving on the correct terms, or whether they are deluded incompetents.
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Which of the 6 tests were impossible to negotiate?
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Who knows - but the party line on this vote is against.

Those figures make it absolutely clear that the vote is lost for May, and by a huge margin. She'll have to resign at that point.
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And then what?

The deal is shit. Great that for whatever reason people see it for what it is.

But lets not pretend thats the end of it. The EU have said no more negotiation. So thats article 50 on hold then? Buys some time to get brexit right.

However if they will not negotiate surely if the deadline passes we just leave? No bill, no settlement. Thats as chaotic for the EU as it is or could be for us BUT IT SAVES US A FEW BILLION. Some people are seriously cutting off their own noses in the EU.

The empty barrel makes the most noise
 
Langers said:
I'd love to know what the Labour party line actually was with regards to Brexit!
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Isn't it to try to engineer a general election without alienating either leave or remain Labour voters, and then magically come up with a new Brexit deal that everyone's going to love once in power?

So a strategy containing as many unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows as any other.

There is no possible good outcome from this situation now. Whichever way it goes - Maydeal, no deal, no Brexit, CanadaNorwayPlusMaxx - the country will be measurably poorer economically and immeasurably poorer politically, culturally and socially for a very, very long time.

All as fucking predicted.

Thanks, Tories - you're the best. And yet they'll still probably win the next GE.
 
Reverse it. No Brexit.

The least amount of work and hassle which causes the least amount of damage to the country.
 
SLA said:
Isn't it to try to engineer a general election without alienating either leave or remain Labour voters, and then magically come up with a new Brexit deal that everyone's going to love once in power?

So a strategy containing as many unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows as any other.

There is no possible good outcome from this situation now. Whichever way it goes - Maydeal, no deal, no Brexit, CanadaNorwayPlusMaxx - the country will be measurably poorer economically and immeasurably poorer politically, culturally and socially for a very, very long time.

All as fucking predicted.

Thanks, Tories - you're the best. And yet they'll still probably win the next GE.
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Crazy isn't it - it's almost as if the only thing which has any importance is getting into (or in the Tories case - keeping a hold of) power.
 
I think that is what is going to eventually happen. Probably after a People's vote.

For a start, Tusk has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that the EU are all in favour of extending Article 50 to allow that to happen. So when May loses this vote you then have two (well three) choices, No Deal and disaster, or People's vote. The third choice is just to abandon the whole idea as utterly undoable.
 
Tony Towner said:
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
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So Labour would negotiate a customs union to protect jobs in all sectors. So the May deal fails because its looking to end free movement of Labour?
 
We need a poll then

What will our realationship be with the EU in 5 years?

Mays deal

Brexit- No deal

Remain


Brexit other deal
 
Remain

I just don't think any other form of Brexit is available other than T-Bag deal and No Deal. There is no time for negotiation on it. T-Bag deal is dead as soon as the Commons votes on it, and there is no way we will crash out with no deal because the economic consequences are horrendous.

I suspect that the moment she loses the vote Jezferatu will stand up and demand one of a general election or a people's vote. With the threat that he has the DUP in his pocket to force through a vote of no confidence if he doesn't get one of those two outcomes.

If it goes People's vote, the EU will extend A50. If it goes General Election they are almost certain to agree an extension to allow that process. And the first order of business for any new government at that point would be a permanent extension because Brexit is absolutely unachievable.
 
Lord Knows said:
So Labour would negotiate a customs union to protect jobs in all sectors. So the May deal fails because its looking to end free movement of Labour?
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It fails, because essentially it's saying we want all the benefits of being in the EU without actually being so. It's a no more advanced negotiating position than the rhetoric Johnson, Fox etc came up with before the referendum. As per my previous post it's debatable whether this is deliberate to vote any deal down or delusional.
 
Additional irony in that the banner behind b'stard reads "clinging to power"
 
Okay then. I have no idea about the veracity of the study at all.

Debunk it, put up a counter argument. Dispute the figures. Anything really.

Yawn smilies is a really engaging input. It is a bit head in the sand isn't it? A bit like Rees-Mogg disputing anything like this as "project fear".
 
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