REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[machin05]

I'm sure you're joking, but simply cutting access to food isn't a cure to obesity!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I'm sure you're joking, but simply cutting access to food isn't a cure to obesity!

I know and youre right my tongue is in my cheek but a deal is so essential for the EU almost as much as the UK so all this so called news , isnt. The whole lot are acting like children to try and save face cause all sides have got Brexit so wrong for the last two years or more. I am really bored of lots of people saying the same thing from all sides. Lock them in a darkened room, all sides do a bit of compromising and sort it. Then tell me the news, the deal and the implications and let me vote on it. Until then. Bored now.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

This is what you voted for.

 

[Langers]

Yeah, what do those economists, academics, Nobel peace prize winners, award winning scientists etc know about it anyway?

Bloody scaremongerers.

#leavemeansleave

#brexitmeansbrexit

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Yes. I voted for the politicians on all sides to sort the uk,s exit from the EU. The in between posturing that is causing debate when nothing meaningful to help any side progress is happening is just unnecessary bollocks and the fact we keep debating the same old points proves it. Personally there should be a 1 month Brexit news blackout while the eu UK and Ireland have their bun fight in private as it needs to happen. Then come to us with some meat on the bones.

And Langers, even the experts don't know what it means until there is a deal in place. At the moment it's all conjecture even if well informed.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Alright, I vote for Wolves to break the world transfer record on a new striker in January. £250m should do it. Don't bother me with the details, don't bother me with arguments about how that simply isn't feasible, that's what I want. Tell me when it's done.

Of course if we get to 1st February, it hasn't happened and we've looked like a laughing stock along the way, chasing solutions that simply cannot happen in the real world, impacting on our reputation in football and neglecting other areas that need urgent attention, I will accept no responsibility for the shambles and take no ownership of it. Don't blame me, it's their fault they didn't sort it out.

 

[Langers]

Cool - happy to place my trust in the likes of Raab, Boris, JRM, Gove, Farage and those other trustworthy fellows who have nothing but the very best interests of the people who live in this country.

They've not let us down yet!

 

[Penk Wolf]

Yeah, what do those economists, academics, Nobel peace prize winners, award winning scientists etc know about it anyway?

Bloody scaremongerers.

#leavemeansleave

#brexitmeansbrexit

Well, a lot of it is, as people are choosing what they want to listen to based on which side of the table they sit. Not all economics, academics, noble peace prize winners, award winning scientists, etc. are predicting doom and gloom.

A guy talking Dan Walker this morning was going through all the issues that Peston had noted in the Facebook link above and then Dan said "Some people will say this is just scaremongering". His answer was "Yeah, they are our borders, so we can do pretty much what we want".

I've also been reading if we leave the borders open then it will encourage more criminal activity. WTF, the border have always been open, so why would it increase criminal activity?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Could I have a list of all the credible economists who predict that Brexit will result in an economic upturn for the UK over the next say, 10 years? Thanks.

 

[Penk Wolf]

https://news.sky.com/story/italys-budget-rejected-by-european-commission-11533281

 

[Kenny]

I've also been reading if we leave the borders open then it will encourage more criminal activity. WTF, the border have always been open, so why would it increase criminal activity?

No idea but maybe something to do with the sharing of info between EU countries. So when a known criminal or gang crosses over our border we have access to their details (unless the sneak in obvs) and after leaving the EU we no longer have access to that info. By not having access to that info could mean more try to enter the country to do their criminal malarky

 

[Tredman]

Could I have a list of all the credible economists who predict that Brexit will result in an economic upturn for the UK over the next say, 10 years? Thanks.

Don't hold your breath. Same for credible scientists

 

[Penk Wolf]

Don't hold your breath. Same for credible scientists

Define 'Credible'. The only credible economists I've seen was the one that said 'economists should stick to analysing the past and not predicting the future'.

Equally, I also said not all were predicting doom and gloom, not that they are predicting an upturn. Not everything is black or white.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

So if it's not an upturn...it's stasis or a downturn. By definition.

So why are we doing this again?

 

[Penk Wolf]

So if it's not an upturn...it's stasis or a downturn. By definition.

So why are we doing this again?

Fuck knows, we wouldn't be if it was down to me.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

And here you go again. Despite many attempts by me and a number of others on here to be sensible stright away we are back to the etreme.

Dan- your example is a bit childish. Wolves are not run like that. But try that out on Barcelona and you might get a different view. They have it in their gift, I believe , to vote for something like that and see it through.

What has happened here is far from ideal. I have never said otherwise. I have also said I wouldwelcome a vote on any deal that is negotiated. I have also said I favour a soft brexit. But I cant say anymore until I actually know what it looks like. Sure I took a punt , a leap of faith in my own beliefs that , ultimately being outside the EU WITH THE DIRECTION IT WAS HEADING was inevitable as it was in clear conflict with what the UK wanted and what people appeared to want from the EU. Some 52% agreed , though I get it that their reasons may have been different to mine. To me its been 28 months and progress has been painfull. Part of the reason for that is the entrecnched views of remainers, the EU and the Government not to mention the Elephant in the room, the Irish border.I get it, its tricky. But its their fucking job to sort it so stop fucking moaning on and on and get it osrted. That applies to all sides. It applies to all sides supporters. To me if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. We are where we are. Lets just deal with it and get it done the best way possible.You can all vote at the next election.

History will show that this was a gigantic clusterfuck. I have no doubt that never again will a politition be as crass as to assume an outcome as was Cameron. But none of the scaremongering and posturing from any side is helpful. Not one jot. We are leaving. Thats the answer. The question is how best to do it for all sides saving as much face as possible. Now those charged with answering that question should trot off, quietly and sort it.

 

[Kenny]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/201...-we-ve-run-out-of-time-to-prepare-for-no-deal

 

[Penk Wolf]

So if it's not an upturn...it's stasis or a downturn. By definition.

So why are we doing this again?

The biggest issue for me is sorting out immigration because the lack of resources is what holding the economy back at the moment, although growth wise we are still 2nd behind Germany at the moment.

I really can't see too much of a downturn, if at all, as there will be areas and business that will suffer and make redundancies, but that will allow other business that are struggling to recruit and increase turnover. That said, if we weren't leaving then both sides would be able to continue as are plus those that are unable to recruit would be able to bring in EU nationals and increase business.

 

[Tredman]

History will show that this was a gigantic clusterfuck. I have no doubt that never again will a politition be as crass as to assume an outcome as was Cameron. But none of the scaremongering and posturing from any side is helpful. Not one jot. We are leaving. Thats the answer. The question is how best to do it for all sides saving as much face as possible. Now those charged with answering that question should trot off, quietly and sort it.

I've a lot of time for your posts Cyber and reasoning behind your views, but the current Brexit supporting scramble to blame anyone than themselves is very apparent - it will be yours and other Brexit-supporters fault when history judges this sorry episode, not Cameron (other than proposing it in the first place), not us 'remoaners' as you like to call us, not the sabatoers as Farage called the negotiators today - it will only be the fault of the Brexiters and they need to own the inevitable fuck up

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I really can't see too much of a downturn, if at all, as there will be areas and business that will suffer and make redundancies, but that will allow other business that are struggling to recruit and increase turnover. That said, if we weren't leaving then both sides would be able to continue as are plus those that are unable to recruit would be able to bring in EU nationals and increase business.

Well, I hope you're right, for everyone's sake. Doesn't seem very likely though based on the signs so far (this is before we lock ourselves out of the world's biggest trading bloc, remember):

https://www.ft.com/content/cf51e840-7147-11e7-93ff-99f383b09ff9