REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Templeton Peck]

Heading for BRINO.

 

[Jolemai]

 

[Tredman]

You can't post that, someone will be along in a minute to talk about tourism.

 

[Templeton Peck]

You can't post that, someone will be along in a minute to talk about tourism.

The old ones are the best. Tourism, constitutional safeguard, would you prefer President (insert name of deeply unpopular ex-PM) blah blah blah...

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Well, there is a valid constitutional issue. Who would be Head of State?

You can't just say "oh, we'd sort it", that's a Brexit answer.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Well, there is a valid constitutional issue. Who would be Head of State?

You can't just say "oh, we'd sort it", that's a Brexit answer.

I'd have an elected Head of State.

 

[Keef]

Trusting the public on a vote that's quite important,brave move.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'd have an elected Head of State.

Ok.

And an elected second chamber too?

And who are we picking from?

 

[jdrodrigues]

Ok.

And an elected second chamber too?

And who are we picking from?

Speaking as a citizen of another country, republican too, I think that is the biggest problem with the UK (lacking a better term. GB?) Republicanism.

Frankly, having a President over a royal family isn't that much of a difference. Less money spent, maybe? Otherwise, it depends on the way the system is planned. For example, the Portuguese President doesn't have that much power or duties, he/she represents the country in most high profile foreign affairs, is the head of military, can veto legislation procedures, sending it back to the legislative assembly for re-approval or changed, has final say on the government (after hearing everyone and always abide by the vote results anyway). Not much else, I think.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hey - radical shit. Fucking bomb off a head of state. Does it really matter at all that there is someone there to kow tow to wankers like trump? PM only, and that will do.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Speaking as a citizen of another country, republican too, I think that is the biggest problem with the UK (lacking a better term. GB?) Republicanism.

Frankly, having a President over a royal family isn't that much of a difference. Less money spent, maybe? Otherwise, it depends on the way the system is planned. For example, the Portuguese President doesn't have that much power or duties, he/she represents the country in most high profile foreign affairs, is the head of military, can veto legislation procedures, sending it back to the legislative assembly for re-approval or changed, has final say on the government (after hearing everyone and always abide by the vote results anyway). Not much else, I think.

It would probably cost us more money (even more so as doubtless the state would still contribute to the upkeep of the royal properties even if they were shipped overnight to Orkney or whatever).

I'm all for a sensible solution as to what we do in replacement of the Royal Family, as I'm no great fan of theirs. I haven't heard it yet.

 

[jdrodrigues]

It would probably cost us more money (even more so as doubtless the state would still contribute to the upkeep of the royal properties even if they were shipped overnight to Orkney or whatever).

I'm all for a sensible solution as to what we do in replacement of the Royal Family, as I'm no great fan of theirs. I haven't heard it yet.

Sorry for de-railing the thread. But you're probably right, I never quite studied what happened to the Portuguese royal family's assets after the republic was installed. Knowing us, probably nothing. Left to rot with no maintenance whatsoever.

Paddington, we did blow our King up though. And his son, for good measure. Nasty business. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Regicide

To be honest, I don't particularly care if we have a President or a Monarch, although I've had heated debates over this. I'd rather continue over a pub table in Wolvo, though.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

No need to apologise my friend. It's a valid point.

I don't care either, that's really the crux of it. We can blow up something that isn't great but sort of works for the alternative of....well, no-one knows because no-one actually has an answer. So I think we'll leave it.

 

[jdrodrigues]

No need to apologise my friend. It's a valid point.

I don't care either, that's really the crux of it. We can blow up something that isn't great but sort of works for the alternative of....well, no-one knows because no-one actually has an answer. So I think we'll leave it.

Sounds a lot like Brexit. :angel::tiphat:

 

[leedswolf]

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...e-booed-on-ireland-s-late-late-show-1-5738038

 

[Templeton Peck]

Ok.

And an elected second chamber too?

And who are we picking from?

Anyone could stand - including Charles or William if they wished.

Not totally convinced we need a second chamber at all but if we did it should be elected IMO.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Hey - radical $#@!. $#@!ing bomb off a head of state. Does it really matter at all that there is someone there to kow tow to $#@!ers like trump? PM only, and that will do.

I've got a lot of time for that argument.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Trusting the public on a vote that's quite important,brave move.

Democracy is the least worst option. At least there would be a way to get rid of them if they turned out to be dodgy.

 

[Johnny75]

Democracy is the least worst option. At least there would be a way to get rid of them if they turned out to be dodgy.

Works for Trump...

 

[lemonjelly]

The newspaper front pages are bizarre this morning. Brexit appears to be beyond marmite in the love it/hate it way. The mail has its usual betrayal style headline.

Meanwhile:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-more-people-think-living-standards-will-decrease-after-uk-leaves-the-eu-major-study-finds_uk_5bc77100e4b055bc947cee9e?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_cs=yfx7Bg7T-Qr4m5nwq9bYzw

Only 14% of people now think Brexit will improve their standard of living, a major new survey has found....
The survey, by the Policy Institute at King’s College London, in partnership with Ipsos MORI and the UK in a Changing Europe, was first carried out before the referendum on leaving the EU and researchers say the comparison of the two sets of results shows “signs of growing unease”.

The latest results show that 44% of the public expect the UK to leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal in place.

Of those who responded, almost one third (29%) are more hopeful and expect the UK to leave with a deal, while 7% think the UK will not leave the EU in March....

Overall, 31% of people said they were expecting their standard of living to decrease, which has gone up from 25% in 2016.

This result also differs depending on political party preference – with 41% of Labour supporters and 58% of Lib Dem supporters saying that they expect their living standards to worsen.

More than a third (39%) of the public expect the UK economic growth rate to decrease as a result of Brexit, which is a balance of very different views between Leave and Remain supporters: 64% of Remain supporters expect Brexit to decrease growth rates, compared with only 17% of Leave supporters.

When it comes to the impact of Brexit on the quality of NHS services, people are split, with 34% expecting them to decrease.The proportion of the public with this expectation has doubled since 2016, when only 17% thought Brexit would lead to a decline in the quality of NHS services.