• Welcome, guest!

    This is a forum devoted to discussion of Wolverhampton Wanderers.
    Why not sign up and contribute? Registered members get a fully ad-free experience!

REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Deutsch Wolf said:
It's a battle that can't be won.

If you swear blind to me that Freddy Eastwood was hard done by at Wolves and could have gone on to be a brilliant striker, I disagree and show you video clips of him strolling around and caning the ball into defenders' shins, analyse his style of play to demonstrate that he was a luxury player without the benefit of very much talent, provide you with contemporary match reports and fan verdicts that slate him for not doing anything, bring up his goal record for us, show you his subsequent career where he did absolutely bugger all, and you STILL say he was good...well I'm out of ammo aren't I. And I'll just leave it. You think you're right and nothing I say can change your mind.

It's pretty obvious that Brexit will damage the country, it's just by how much. Because it's become a quasi-religious experience for a significant minority of people (some of whom, sadly, have a say in running the country) then they're determined to do it at all costs, despite all the evidence in front of them. There are no more arguments to be made. We walked ourselves into an awful situation for no reason and have steadily made it worse for 28 months, which puts us where we are now.
Click to expand...

Ok. I will turn that back on you. Based on evidence you had no faith that Matt Doherty could cut it regularly in the championship or the premier League yet 18 months into Fosuns reign he is player of the month in the premier League, pretty much ever present under Nuno and now an international. It shows that things can change in a short period of time. I agree at the moment it's a cluster fuck but so were wolves a few seasons back. This deal r no deal is a tit for tat that will be resolved. The time to judge Brexit will be 18 months into it after it happens. Regardless of the conditions that apply when we leave.

Doherty and Bennett are as much an integral part of us in 2018 as Costa and Neves. We never thought that possible. So when the politicians have finished their posturings and we are out let's see where we are 18 months later. We may get a pleasant surprise.
 
Cyber - there is no factual or even conjectural basis for realistically expecting that pleasant surprise. The only way it occurs is if the EU cave in. Which they won't, as they hold every single card in the deck.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Ok. I will turn that back on you. Based on evidence you had no faith that Matt Doherty could cut it regularly in the championship or the premier League yet 18 months into Fosuns reign he is player of the month in the premier League, pretty much ever present under Nuno and now an international. It shows that things can change in a short period of time. I agree at the moment it's a cluster fuck but so were wolves a few seasons back. This deal r no deal is a tit for tat that will be resolved. The time to judge Brexit will be 18 months into it after it happens. Regardless of the conditions that apply when we leave.

Doherty and Bennett are as much an integral part of us in 2018 as Costa and Neves. We never thought that possible. So when the politicians have finished their posturings and we are out let's see where we are 18 months later. We may get a pleasant surprise.
Click to expand...
If there is "No Deal" then everything stops at 11:01pm on 29 March 2019.
 
I just wish John Major would butt out of the discussions - he was at the top when Maastricht was approved (though no was allowed to have any say on that) which fundamentally changed what the EU was as opposed to what the UK voters had agreed to in 1975.

Much of where we are now came from that
 
Parkins left foot said:
I just wish John Major would butt out of the discussions - he was at the top when Maastricht was approved (though no was allowed to have any say on that) which fundamentally changed what the EU was as opposed to what the UK voters had agreed to in 1975.

Much of where we are now came from that
Click to expand...

Precisely
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Which it won't.

This is getting like the y2k bug for me now.
Click to expand...
750+ treaties will no longer apply. We will have no negotiated trade deals so who do we export to? Eurostar leaving the UK won't have any platforms asigned to them on mainland Europe and UK commercial flights will not be able to enter EU airspace as examples.

That is Article 50.
 
The 'no deal = it will all be fine' view is almost the most stupid view in the whole of the Brexit discussion.
 
To give some historical perspective & I'm one of the few on here (though there will be others) who could have voted on the in/out vote in 1975. The voting populace was lied to then as rather than entering merely a trading bloc (which was a smaller group than it is now) there were plans that we were not told of (I voted 'in' at that point as it made clear sense from the information that was actually revealed).

Subsequent treaties/changes have not been put to us again & the EU has morphed into a different animal (though probably one that was always intended - doubt that the vote would have been 'yes' in 1975 if we had known that).

Yes withdrawal now is complicated due to the expansion of the Group & extensive rules/regulations that have been brought in. This process seems to be challenge of who can 'kick the other side in the nuts harder than the opposition' now. Incompetence/intransigence in equal parts. Unless we manage to find a way to tow the UK away from the European mainland then we will still be linked in one way or another & will need to find a way to co exist profitably for both sides.

Both the UK & the EU Commission have a duty to consider that fact and act on it.
 
Article 50 is straightforward. The UK is leaving the EU. The ball is in the UK side of the court. The first element of having a deal hasn't even been reached, the sticking point being NI, which the EU proposed a solution that the DUP will not support. Pointless even trying to discuss the other two elements yet.
 
leedswolf said:
750+ treaties will no longer apply. We will have no negotiated trade deals so who do we export to? Eurostar leaving the UK won't have any platforms asigned to them on mainland Europe and UK commercial flights will not be able to enter EU airspace as examples.

That is Article 50.
Click to expand...

We’d revert to WTO?
 
We would have to. Without a negotiated trade deal exports would be subject to the import tariffs for goods and services as lodged with the WTO by each country.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Only if that was formally agreed.
Click to expand...

I thought we were already part of WTO in our own right and would automatically revert to that when we leave the EU?

By the way, I’m not saying this is in anyway good, but not quite as bad as exporting grinding to a halt.
 
Penk Wolf said:
I thought we were already part of WTO in our own right and would automatically revert to that when we leave the EU?

By the way, I’m not saying this is in anyway good, but not quite as bad as exporting grinding to a halt.
Click to expand...

It's being overplayed by both sides which isn't helping. The head in the sand it'll be alright is infuriating as is the 'we're all doomed' rhetoric.

There will be agreement at some point and I wouldn't be surprised to see a long transition period agreed just to piss people like Reece-Mogg off.
 
I think you and Leeds are right. It is a reversion because SOMETHING has to happen. So I guess import and export tariffs everywhere. Not ideal, and our goods become very expensive to our export markets, which will be damaging, but at least trade still exists I guess.
 
tredman said:
The 'no deal = it will all be fine' view is almost the most stupid view in the whole of the Brexit discussion.
Click to expand...

Yes it's stupid. Mark my words there will be a deal. There has been so much dick waving posturings complaining, denial and bull shit that it has now become impossible to see fact from fear. Please feel free to throw this back at me but here is my quote.
THERE WILL BE A DEAL WHEN WE LEAVE THE EU
 
Johnny75 said:
It's being overplayed by both sides which isn't helping. The head in the sand it'll be alright is infuriating as is the 'we're all doomed' rhetoric.

There will be agreement at some point and I wouldn't be surprised to see a long transition period agreed just to piss people like Reece-Mogg off.
Click to expand...

There just won't be an agreement if we get to March 29 with the DUP propping up the government. And then any agreement over NI (should that bar be jumped) needs approval by all EU countries and Ireland cannot agree to screwing the Good Friday Agreement. I really don't see an easy way to any form of agreement at all.

It's going to be cold turkey.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

darlowolf64
  • Locked
The Clique and how to join it...
Replies
6
Views
2K
The Bear
The Bear
lemonjelly
The Mental Health thread
49 50 51
Replies
1K
Views
101K
Del Woppio
Del Woppio
Back
Top