REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Penk Wolf]

Still getting the same old shite on social media from leave-voting acquaintances.

"Leave means leave"

"Share if you think we should tell the EU where to go"

"Will of the people"

Not a single one of them has told me why they STILL think it's a good idea, and why they'd STILL vote leave if there was another referendum tomorrow. It's so incredibly frustrating.

It's clearly a fucking shambles and I don't want another vote. I want common sense to prevail above party politics and self preservation. It needs to be binned off completely - and yes, I know that isn't going to happen.

Would these be people on low paid jobs who think they'll be able to get a higher paid job or an increase in wage if immigration was reduced?

 

[Langers]

Would these be people on low paid jobs who think they'll be able to get a higher paid job or an increase in wage if immigration was reduced?

I've not seen any of them make any comment on economics or salary increases. But lots to do with immigration.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Do they realise that non-EU immigration has been significantly on the rise since the referendum? And this would continue post-Brexit?

 

[Langers]

Do they realise that non-EU immigration has been significantly on the rise since the referendum? And this would continue post-Brexit?

Leave means leave.

Brexit means Brexit.

Will of the people.

4 legs good, 2 legs bad

Etc, etc, repeat to fade.

 

[lemonjelly]

All going swimmingly, and the economy is in good health etc etc,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44882861

Oh...

 

[Penk Wolf]

All going swimmingly, and the economy is in good health etc etc,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44882861

Oh...

'In the April-to-June quarter retail sales increased by 2.1% - the biggest quarterly rise since 2015.'

 

[Tredman]

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

'In the April-to-June quarter retail sales increased by 2.1% - the biggest quarterly rise since 2015.'

Probably because no one wanted to go outside in Q1 on account of it being -10 every day.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So your answer to voting and being directly responsible for this is to have a coup?

A $#@!ing apology should be given to the country by all those who voted for Brexit. Short of flogging you all, I hope you all rot in a Calais camp.

That's a bloody big camp. And a tad extreme.

To be clear I do not have anything I feel I have to apologise for. I was given 2 choices and I chose. I was 100 % certain then that given the strategic direction of the eu post Maastricht that leaving had become a case of when not if.

As regards the efforts to arrange best I completely agree it is a clusterfuck. I would be very very happy for a soft brexit. Give it time , give things a chance to mature. But the absolute shi t heads in power are determined otherwise and the opposition do nothing. The country gets the government it deserves.

I will never apologise for my choice. It was right then and it's right now. The implementation and coordination is a monumental shambles

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But you knew who would be in charge of this. What did you expect them to do?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

But you knew who would be in charge of this. What did you expect them to do?

Better.

 

[Tony Towner]

If I can be arsed I may trawl back in threads where that was made abundantly clear 2+ years ago.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Better.

Why? On what basis?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

If remain had won the referendum there would have been little conciliatory actions acknowledging the passion in the leave campaign in my view. But two wrongs don't make a right. We can still leave, but do it in such a way and with dignity that it keeps the friendships we have built since ww2. Well that was my hope. I think that's fucked now.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Maybe I will take Putin's offer of free land in Siberia

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

We already had a Tory government that tended towards the hard right, especially economically. Once Leave won it was abundantly clear that those who had been waging a spurious campaign against the EU for decades would have ever more influence.

How on earth was that ever going to be a recipe for a friendly split? And you knew all this.

By the way no-one gave much of a toss about the EU for years, this was not a defining issue until Cameron made it one.

 

[Johnny75]

If remain had won the referendum there would have been little conciliatory actions acknowledging the passion in the leave campaign in my view. But two wrongs don't make a right. We can still leave, but do it in such a way and with dignity that it keeps the friendships we have built since ww2. Well that was my hope. I think that's fucked now.

I understand your principles and view on the vote but even you must conceded that knowing who would be in charge of delivery it was always doomed?

 

[Penk Wolf]

No one knew May would be in charge.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

We knew Cameron wasn't going to stay if Leave won, it would have been a totally untenable situation. It was always going to be a candidate from the right of the party, because Brexit is generally a right-leaning phenomenon.

Whether it was May, Gove, Johnson or whoever, it wouldn't have made that much difference to the course of Brexit. It's undeliverable. There's the chance that someone else might not have been quite so useless as she is so spectacularly shit at everything, we'd still be in a mess though.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

No one knew May would be in charge.

Is she in charge?