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He was shouted at for sharing Britian First stuff. When asked why he was told it was racist shit. He took that as being called a racist.
That was about 3 years ago. Still won't let it go.
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That was about 3 years ago. Still won't let it go.
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Up for the debate.
Not shifting blame at all Tredman, but we know more now than in June 2016. Still would vote leave unless the eu changed its arrogant ethos of a federal States of Europe between economically unequal states. It's like marrying a hooker. One day you know it's gonna go south.
Not shifting blame at all Tredman, but we know more now than in June 2016. Still would vote leave unless the eu changed its arrogant ethos of a federal States of Europe between economically unequal states. It's like marrying a hooker. One day you know it's gonna go south.
Paddingtonwolf
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As a twenty five year Conservative voter that has changed his spots I think I will pop in here with a couple of comments.
Firstly I totally respect your original leave vote, and possibly even more your statement that you would stay that way. Courage of your convictions and all that...
Secondly, there are other leave voters here. Cyber is one (i hope I wouldn't offend him by saying so as votes are private, but I am going on his posting).m So we aren't all leaning the same way necessarily. As someone once said, cosy consensus would make this place rather boring.
I appreciate you may be against the majority, but you still have a valid view and that should be cherished and debated with mutual respect (at least in my possibly utopic ideal for a forum). I will disagree with you, sometimes vehemently, but I will defend your right to have a voice.
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I don't have a problem with that at all Cyber, I almost admire your stand - you have your reasoning and you stick to it.
However, those higher up in the leave campaign played on a certain section of the populace's fear of people who speak and look differently. It might have been sub-conciously, but i would imagine a very large percentage of leave voters voted that way out of, at best, dislike of newcomers and, at worst, out of racism.
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Don't tell anyone this. But I think you are right and that fact is as abhorrent to me as calling me racist. Pretty much every political party have been and continue to be duplicitous in my eyes hence my real longing for a new option
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Not sure anyone would ever call you a racist Cyber. Misguided voodoo merchant? Yes. Racist No!
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Cheers lol.
It's pretty clear that things like Farages poster was a blatant attempt to whip up xenophobic feelings.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants
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What about the EU's negotiating stance is unreasonable though? As far as I can see they've been fairly consistent in their position that there won't be any special bespoke deals available to the UK once we've left. That was made clear before the referendum but the Leave campaign continued to push the idea that we would very much be able to negotiate a deal that was unique to our situation.
EDIT: Just pondering this last point a bit more... I wonder if the likes of BoJo and Gove are so used to saying one thing and doing another that they genuinely couldn't comprehend that the EU meant what they said when they said there would be no special treatment for the UK. To them it all seems to be a game where they can bluff and double bluff without consequences - because of course none of this will ever effect them personally on a material level.
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True dat.
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I don't give 2 fucks about how history judges those who campaigned for leave. To a great extent they'll become nobodies anyway. Fact is they're mainly in massively privileged positions, and will have a lot more protection from the carnage that is coming our was as a result of the incompetence we're seeing than people who I love and are close to me. Plus the nasty elements of the leave campaign (eg farages poster etc) goes against principles I hold dear. Which means the government/country/lyingbastards are not representing me/us/anyone but themselves.
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This was glossed over in the main stream media yesterday but I think it's important as it could well be the end of the EU if Italy withdraw from the EU as is mooted. There is also renewed calls for France to withdraw (Frexit) as Macron's push for the EU to reform is falling on deaf ears.
It seems that governments are looking at us as the pilot for withdrawal and the EU will not want us to be successful in this. It's a shit show all round at the moment.
In other news Mark Carney has said households are worse off by £900 a month following the vote. I don't know how he's arrived at that figure and it doesn't seem right to me but what do I know.
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That figure can't be right, surely
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I went off the Guardian website but it seems that line has been changed from £900 per month to £900 with no time frame at all. Odd number.
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One of us! One of us!
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Italy- not surprised at all. With Portugal Greece and Spain it has had significant debt issues and they show no sign of abating.
France- well if the EU wont listen it just confirms how arrogant they can be.
It really is a shit storm on all sides. The British leave negotiation is abysmal. The EU hieracrchy is completely on cloud cuckoo land akin to the emporers new clothes, and all over eurpoe people are having a serious rethink about the direction the EU project has gone and continues to move in.
Colour me unsurprised
France- well if the EU wont listen it just confirms how arrogant they can be.
It really is a shit storm on all sides. The British leave negotiation is abysmal. The EU hieracrchy is completely on cloud cuckoo land akin to the emporers new clothes, and all over eurpoe people are having a serious rethink about the direction the EU project has gone and continues to move in.
Colour me unsurprised
